Re: My Beef with Razor

on Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 08:52:24PM -0800, Vipul Ved Prakash wrote:
> David, 
> 
> The reason your reports are not reflected immediately is because you don't
> have enough trust in the system. Building up trust is an important
> component of a collaborative system, because it's the only mechanism that
> ensures we have a clean database for all to use. As a new user, it might
> be a little frustrating, but if you keep up the reporting in the long run
> your decisions will be valued more (and reflected more immediately).

I've been auto-reporting via several hundred known spamtraps since
August 2001. Just counting the spam I've reported, manually as well as
automatically, which doesn't include the spam I autoreported but did not
archive (08/2001-05/2002) I've reported something on the order of 75K
individual spam messages to Razor. I've inadvertently reported non-spam
on maybe three or four occasions in the eighteen months I've been using
Razor, and revoked them as soon as I noticed (usually because of a
network hiccup that slowed the terminal down long enough that I hit 'R',
my mutt 'razor-report' macro, more than once).

I should think I'd have a pretty high trust rating, but I have the same
experience as David - I report a message not caught by razor from one of
my servers, bounce it to the server where I archive the messages, and
more often than not, it's not caught by Razor the second time, so I have
to file it manually. It's gotten so ridiculous I haven't bothered to
keep current or to manually report as often as I used to, and have gone
back to using DNSBLs as my primary spam catching mechanism.

I like the idea of Razor. I even like the implementation, for the most
part. But it's not the panacea I'd hoped it would be, and it doesn't
behave as I thought it should, despite my months of investment in it.

Just another data point,
Steve

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