Subject: Re: SquirrelMail Alternatives? Suggestions, Please
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Re: 10.6 upgrade notes?

On Sep 2, 2009, at 2:54 AM, Dan Shoop wrote:On Sep 1, 2009, at 9:57 AM, Clint McIntosh wrote:I know it's still early in the game, but surely someone out there has taken the plunge into 10.6 Server.  My boss has really been selling some of our customers on the promised features of 10.6 and they are exited to upgrade ASAP.  I've heared snippets of rumors that some 3rd party additions like Entropy PHP 5  and MySQL 5.0 break after the upgrade.You should expect these to break. Always. It's a bad, bad practice to be using these. If you want localized PHP or MySQl that's what /usr/local is for. Install and build your own versions of software if you plan not not use distributed software. Otherwise the onus is on you to assure it functions. And given that these third party add ons fly in the face of standard unice best practices you should expect they'll be problematic.   Can anyone confirm this?  Has anyone had their server go up in flames as a result of the upgrade? Has anyone had a flawless upgrade even with 3rd party components installed? Unfortunately neither we nor our clients have the budget to setup servers with the sole purpose of testing - it's all live and by the seat of our pants.If you can't afford to be in the business of testing things properly before placing in production then you're not budgeting rationally and are running your business poorly. There's really no excuse for not properly testing impacts to production. At a minimum this is what scheduled downtime is for.  The closest I can get to a test server is installing it within VMWare Fusion (unsupported).You don't have any other machine for testing? Not a single blessed system, MacBook or whatever? I find this very hard to believe. Are your "clients" aware of your bad practices? I'm sure if they were they'd probably be shocked.  -d------------------------------------------------------------------------Dan ShoopComputer Scientistshoop@xxxxxxxxxxxYa know, Dan, I don't like it any more than you do. I've been pushing and pushing to get at least 1 test machine and I've been turned down more times than I can count.  I've been forced to use a 120GB external hard drive for emergency backups - and of course most of our clients have 250GB drives and bigger that are pretty full. I've pointed out the poor planning this presents and was told to just "do what I can". I keep knocking on wood that each day is another day without potential data loss.  Our clients have been hit particularly hard by the economic downturn. One of them had an old G4 XServe (that EVERYTHING ran on) that totally died and the only way they could pay to replace it was to buy a new one on their personal credit card and hope that business improved soon so they could at least make some payments on that card.Sure, in a perfect world, we'd all have at least one of each model Mac ever made so we could run every test known to man. The reality is that many places are just getting by on what they have.  The point of this mailing list is to share information.  Since you OBVIOUSLY  have an unlimited budget and can afford to buy anything and everything you could possibly ever need and have run every test imaginable, why don't you share the results of your extensive testing with the rest of us and save us all a lot of trouble?  --------Clint McIntoshclintmcintosh@xxxxxxx _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Macos-x-server mailing list (Macos-x-server@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/macos-x-server/maillists%40codeha.us This email sent to maillists@xxxxxxxxx

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Re: SUS deletes old system updates

On 9/1/09 9:26 AM, "Sauer Andreas" <andreas.sauer@xxxxxx> wrote: Hello, I'm using mac os x server as a softwareupdateserver. But every time when apple releases a new version of the system e.g. 10.5.8, the old version 10.5.7 is missing in the sus. Even if I set up a new server and get the list of softwareupdates for the first time any system update is missing besides the latest one. In this case only 10.4.11 and 10.5.8 are available. What ist the right preference to stop this behavior. Andreas Sauer Administrator Munich Software Update only shows the latest applicable and enabled updates. If you leave the Automatically mirror updates from Apple and Automatically enable mirrored updates options turned off in the Software Update Service options, then even though Apple has released 10.5.8, your server will continue to show your latest enabled update (e.g. 10.5.7). There is no preference to stop SUS from removing updates that have been superceded. -- Peter M. Bukowinski Systems Engineer Janelia Farm Research Campus Howard Hughes Medical Institute (also at http://yourmacguy.wordpress.com) _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Macos-x-server mailing list (Macos-x-server@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/macos-x-server/maillists%40codeha.us This email sent to maillists@xxxxxxxxx

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Re: SquirrelMail Alternatives? Suggestions, Please

On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 4:24 AM, Inge Eidem <inge.eidem@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Thumbs up for Phils suggestion, KERIO is a great mail & collaboration server, supports exchange protocol and runs on Mac OS X, easy to maintain. inexpensive too! I am also a huge fan of Kerio Mail Server... but was the OP asking for an alternative mail server or simply an alternative webmail interface? Either way, both have been mentioned (Roundcube, Kerio). Oh, and let's not turn this into another Kerio vs Zimbra vs Communigate vs Groupwise vs pony express..... _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Macos-x-server mailing list (Macos-x-server@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/macos-x-server/maillists%40codeha.us This email sent to maillists@xxxxxxxxx

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Re: SquirrelMail Alternatives? Suggestions, Please

I wanted to second Phil's suggestion of Kerio.  I have recently purchased Kerio Mail Server for my company.  It is easy to set up, use, and maintain.  It plays well with outlook and apple mail.  I have been told that it works great with Entourage as well, but do not use that in-house.  I would definitely suggest it as well.Thanks,TracyOn Sep 2, 2009, at 2:44 AM, Philip Ershler wrote:On Sep 1, 2009, at 11:04 PM, Alexander Clarke <alexanderclarke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 2:52 PM, R. Steinberg<reubob@xxxxxx> wrote: I am interested know what alternatives to SquirrelMail people are using,why, whether it was a good choice and how difficult it is to use anon-default email system on OS X 10.5/6 server. Before I gave up on hosting our own email and moved everything over toGoogle Apps for Education, we used RoundCube (http://roundcube.net/)quite successfully. Before that, we used the built-in SquirrelMail butwith a plugin to show quota usage.  MOXS 10.5.7 broke that arrangementand forced the complete migration to RoundCube, which I had beentesting for a while.RoundCube is really easy to setup. For a guide (but you probably won'tneed it if you are familiar with MySQL and Apache), see this link:http://www.roundcubeforum.net/general-discussion/3673-guide-installing-roundcube-mac-os-x-leopard-server.htmlI'm not going to vouch for its correctness or currentness as I didn'tuse it. But it's something.Alex If you are willing to consider a commercial alternative, Kerio is a pretty good choice. How many clients do you need to support?Phil_______________________________________________Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored.Macos-x-server mailing list      (Macos-x-server@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription:http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/macos-x-server/tbeekman%40longview-news.comThis email sent to tbeekman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Tracy R. BeekmanIT AdminLongview News Journal &Marshall News Messenger903-237-7796 Office903-235-0041 Celltbeekman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxhttp://news-journal.comhttp://marshallnewsmessenger.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Macos-x-server mailing list (Macos-x-server@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/macos-x-server/maillists%40codeha.us This email sent to maillists@xxxxxxxxx