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Walter Neumann <neumann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:

> Starting a few days ago my raw count for Load_Cycle_Count has been
> increasing steadily at a rate of about 2 per minute. The raw value has
> increased as much in the last 10 days as it did in the previous 9
> months.
>
> The VALUE field reported by smartctl is decrementing every two or
> three days (it decrements every time the raw count increases by
> 10000). Current values are
>
> ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED
> RAW_VALUE
> 193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0012 085 085 000 Old_age Always -
> 150480
>
> By googling I've found that Load_Cycle_Count seems to count how often
> the head was parked. Is this right?

Yes, more-or-less (it depends on the drive).

> Can anyone suggest what might be causing this behaviour? I've checked
> all software that changed around 10 days ago and can't see anything
> that could be parking the disk (I'm running fedora 3 and doing
> automatic regular updates with yum).

This is most likely because you have switched on (or installed
something that switched on by default) some form of power management.
If this is a laptop, that's a good thing; if it's a desktop, you
probably don't need it and switching it off will reduce drive wear, if
you can find out how.

> Could this be a hardware issue?
>
> Any help or guesses appreciated. If the numbers are to be believed it
> could cause failure in a few months.

It probably won't. You'll notice that the threshold is 000, which
means that no value will be considered to be a SMART failure.

On my Mac laptop, this is controlled by the "Put the hard disk(s) to
sleep when possible" checkbox in the "Energy Saver" control panel. I
usually have this switched on, and now my laptop has:

ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED
WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0012 099 099 000 Old_age Always
- 2881
9 Power_On_Hours 0x0012 094 094 000 Old_age Always
- 2833
193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0012 080 080 000 Old_age Always
- 201127

after about a year.


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Re: Help: Load_Cycle_Count increasing steadily

> Starting a few days ago my raw count for Load_Cycle_Count has been > increasing steadily at a rate of about 2 per minute. The raw value has > increased as much in the last 10 days as it did in the previous 9 months. > > The VALUE field reported by smartctl is decrementing every two or three > days (it decrements every time the raw count increases by 10000). Current > values are > > ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED > RAW_VALUE > 193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0012 085 085 000 Old_age Always - > 150480 Ouch. So at the rate you are going, in another 170 to 255 days the normalized VALUE will reach zero and your disk will have reached its 'end of life' engineering limit on the number of head parks. > By googling I've found that Load_Cycle_Count seems to count how often the > head was parked. Is this right? I think that's right. > Can anyone suggest what might be causing this behaviour? I've checked all > software that changed around 10 days ago and can't see anything that could > be parking the disk (I'm running fedora 3 and doing automatic regular > updates with yum). > > Could this be a hardware issue? Hmmm. I don't know, but I sort of doubt it. > Any help or guesses appreciated. If the numbers are to be believed it > could cause failure in a few months. Try to determine if the disk is spinning down at the same time that the head is parking (I doubt it). I think hdparm -y and -C can be used to investigate this. You might also send an email note to the Linux Kernel Mailing List. Perhaps someone there has an idea. Cheers, Bruce ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag-&-drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl

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Re: Help: Load_Cycle_Count increasing steadily

I got two useful replies to this. Here is some more info that may be useful to others: It appears to be a Linux Kernel issue -- it happens with the 2.6.10 fedora kernel but not with the 2.6.9. I can fix it by adding "hdparm -B254" to my startup script. The man page for hdparm explains this parameter: "Set Advanced Power Management feature, if the drive supports it. A low value means aggressive power management and a high value means better performance. A value of 255 will disable apm on the drive." On my Hitachi drive values around -B128 already give too agressive power management. -B255 disables power management to the point that it does not kick in when I switch to battery. -B254 is a good compromise. But I cannot find any documentation of what these numbers actually mean. Does anyone know? --walter On Thu, 27 Jan 2005, Walter Neumann wrote: Starting a few days ago my raw count for Load_Cycle_Count has been increasing steadily at a rate of about 2 per minute. The raw value has increased as much in the last 10 days as it did in the previous 9 months. The VALUE field reported by smartctl is decrementing every two or three days (it decrements every time the raw count increases by 10000). Current values are ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE 193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0012 085 085 000 Old_age Always - 150480 By googling I've found that Load_Cycle_Count seems to count how often the head was parked. Is this right? Can anyone suggest what might be causing this behaviour? I've checked all software that changed around 10 days ago and can't see anything that could be parking the disk (I'm running fedora 3 and doing automatic regular updates with yum). Could this be a hardware issue? Any help or guesses appreciated. If the numbers are to be believed it could cause failure in a few months. --walter neumann ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag-&-drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl

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