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Re: positive socio-religious engineering!: msg#00075

Subject: Re: positive socio-religious engineering!
Andy Stone wrote:

I came to Ubuntu for technical reasons

 That's good, because it's a most important quality. :-)

with how Ubuntu and the community are really going for the big one - trying to bring folk together in a spirit of hope and co-operation.

It is very important to try provide community with a place to grown. People find Ubuntu thier POV, despite thier normal religion and belives.

ridiculousness over the excellent Warty artwork. I'll explain via a slight digression:

It will. First, even if I think im open to others, I was quite amazed with people response to Human artwork. That was a lerning experience, and I guess everyone got something out of it.

different set of rules to those of your neighbour.

Fine law, then, maybe. But it won't fly today. I'm a pagan, as you, so my set of rules in life is quite simple. Imagine what would happend if all voilent religions would got a law, that would let them set laws according to religion. The River of Blood.

Children must not wear religious clothing to schools.

To be honest, I'm all up for that. Schools are place when I go to learn stuff. It's no place for showing how much you love Jesus, Allah or Hekate. I'm libertarian, so I belive in thing called contract: if there a writen rule for dress code, you have to follow it, or leave the school. Just as simple as that.

Also, I've been working in a ground school for year and a half. If people are alowed to dress whatever they like, poor kids are a target of joke, because surly, they can not have new Addidas, make up or whatever. Small kids don't think: Fu*k you all, I have mind of my own, I'm better at math/language/art that you, and all you have is stuff that your parents buy. They think: I'm hopeless and my place is in a dumpster.

rarely see my views represented, and to be told other peoples beliefs as though they were fact (Christ died for you, etc.)

I don't find it rude. If someone belive that Jesus died for thier sins on the cross, he state it as a *fact* from his POV. I saw lots of signatures that Jesus was a fag/homo/nazi/communist/whatever. For signature holders this was a fact, too.

 Religions aren't based on facts. They are based on belives.

I saw as a personal attack.

See. Now you're trying to do, what you told us to avoid. Signature is like a wearing cross at school. :-)

fear-based niggles of a minority regarding the afore-mentioned artwork.

 There's a rule, if they fear it, they fight with it. ;-)

Where I live snowdrops have appeared - the first sign of the returning year. This seems fitting to me

 Nice pagan analogy. :-)

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 Emil Oppeln-Bronikowski
 http://opi.pegasos.pl http://ubuntulinux.org



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