Subject: Re: Dell and the Linux promise - msg#00075

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Re: Dell's Moving on Linux - 100, 000 Customer Requests

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Richard Houston wrote: > Well on the upside of all this Dell stuff, either good journalism or bad, > Linux , made it to CNN.com and other site I am sure which provides Linux > a more general user audience. I think in spite of the details, Joe > average just got another taste of this thing called Linux. Now maybe just > maybe a few of Joe's will go out and see what this Linux thing is all > about. Bingo. This is what we're looking for. A surprising amount of these Joes end up as users eventually. > Now with that being said we need to expose "people" not just tech people > to the ideas of FOSS. Throw enough spaghetti at the wall and some will > stick. :-D - -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------+  Jenda VanÄura _ Join the ASCII Ribbon Campaign   Email : jenda@xxxxxxxxxx ( ) http://www.asciiribbon.org   GnuPG : 519D056A X Against HTML e-mail   Jabber: jendavancura@xxxxxxxxx / \ Against proprietary attachments  +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFF76SPkfxlW1GdBWoRAn6IAKCzuXp4jDcrrbsGTx5dP/q0/d2xUACgvnx4 9R40k/6eKsQoFZWJbqAln38= =xlcH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing

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Re: Dell's Moving on Linux - 100, 000 Customer Requests

John Little wrote: > [...] > David Lord is their spokesman and he is cited in the many versions of > the story circulated today. The requently mentioned request for > pre-installed linux with a vote count over 100,000 is not the only > source of feedback they have on this issue. That number may be an > aggregate or possibly incorrect. I've asked David for clarification. It is not a vote count, it is a score calculated from votes. Early on you could vote without registering which counted for 1 point. Registered users counted for 10 points, which explains the odd total. How much more clarification we need than their "About" page is beyond me. At the very least, that number in the article should corrected be ~10,000. Mr. Lord knows that. At least there is mention of the possible automated multiple registration and voting. > > Despite the questionable reporting around this issue it's still > noteworthy and a potentially important development in the desktop > Linux arena. My only intent was to pass it on to marketing team. These > stories, completely factual or not, shape public opinion in drastic > ways once they hit places like Reuters and CNN. That, not the actual > number, is why I find it particularly relevant. YMMV. > > Forbes is now saying the number is over 100,000 but that Dell is > trying to make sense of the data. That's about what I expected to hear > from David. > > http://www.forbes.com/markets/equities/2007/03/07/dell-linux-options-markets-equity-cx_er_0307markets08.html > > The actual number may very well be the only reason this got blown out of proportion. Had it been reported correctly as 10000 people voting, I am not sure it would have gotten so much attention - perhaps using the "it's the most popular suggestion" may have worked. But reporting *100000 customers* voting is just not a coincidence. Are you saying we don't need to be factual about such important news ? I beg to differ. I actually feel when i do advocacy about anything from free formats to free licences and including free software, I have to be much more accurate. I don't question your intentions here, but as a community around one of the Linux distributions the poll was about, we need to know these details. When we don't and someone else uses them otherwise, they may interpret this and compare it to the FUD other companies (inluding Microsoft) like to pass around. I guess we can now all agree the numbers misinterpretation is now used as PR, not an honest mistake that could have been clarified before it made national news in the US (and elsewhere). We certainly need to discuss and verify this kind of story, not just pass it around as facts. Cheers, Fabian

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Re: Dell and the Linux promise

Fabian Rodriguez wrote: > alan c wrote: >> For some days now there has been an avalanche of requests for linux >> including Ubuntu, on Dell machines, [...] >> But why do I not see a Ubuntu comment in addition to Novell? >> And why is it only corporate products? >> > > Eric S Raymond provides some insight in his " World Domination 201" > paper. I posted about this in the past few days here: > http://www.salmar.com/pipermail/wftl-lug/2007-February/015369.html > http://www.salmar.com/pipermail/wftl-lug/2007-February/015384.html > > So really, we need to stop correlating the survey with their Novell > announcement and remember this is a limited, > corporate-market target, Novell-only-for-now deal. Good news, but > certainly not "Any Linux on all Dells for eveyone, because of this > single survey". Why ? Among other reasons, the seer size of Dell - but > also pressure from MS I guess. > > They actually clarified that later on: > http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=linux_and_unix&articleId=9011907&taxonomyId=122&intsrc=kc_top > > Fabian Rodriguez > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FabianRodriguez yes thanks, the corporate question was perhaps a distraction. My main concern is that someone closely related to Ubuntu is into the situation to get a good and early outcome for Ubuntu. This does *not* mean preinstalled by Dell I think that is rather unlikely, but influencing the information about drivers. Dell are not going to do much for ubuntu just yet, but we can get a lot of leverage about drivers and maybe influence Dell choices behind the scenes. -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391

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Re: UWN Status?

Matt: It seems Cody is on leave, Jenda is gone til mid March, and Corey doesn't seem to have too much time to spare. That leaves the UWN floating around. I'd be more then happy to help get it out until some of the regulars come back, but I don't have the authority to do it. In an effort to get it moving again, I moved it from Gobby into the Wiki again: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue30 I will try and work on whatever bits I can to get it close to it being released. Martin On 2/28/07, Matt Galvin <mgalvin@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > With a more sane schedule again I went to check out the UWN stuff and > it seems to have stagnated a bit. Is anyone still working on it? If so > whats going on with it? It seems a new issue has not been release in > about a month. Thanks in advance for any updates. > > Matt > > -- > ubuntu-marketing mailing list > ubuntu-marketing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing >