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Subject: Re: how to select an ebook reader - msg#00012List: linux.hardware.sony.librie> Finally someone with some information. Actually this is listed as the > libre and irex list. Which is why I am here, trolling for information. ***Trolling? Surely you jest! ;) > I only had to hear that sony was a you buy at my bookstore or go > without to put it on my "not in my life time list". This isn't my > first rodeo when it comes to e-readers and propriety book stores. So > far I haven't found a living iRex user, even on the other site. > Kindle looked good, until I found it was not listed as using the > mobipocket, just mobi which may not be the same. Also why wouldn't > Amazon use their own site for the books? So far no answers to that one > either. ***The Kindle only uses non-DRM'ed Mobipocket. In other words, Amazon doesn't work with your purchased Mobipocket books - only AZW books which have to be purchased through the EVDO connection (if you don't have EVDO in your area, you can't buy books for it at all). All conversion (TXT, Non-DRM'ed MOBI & Non-DRM'ed PRC don't need conversion) has to go through Amazon's Whispermail system (mailed to Amazon, they convert to AZW, then mail it to your reader), which may be screening for whatever Amazon considers to be piracy (which may actually be within the bounds of fair use). I'm more than a little suspicious regarding this. > Look, I am not knocking the Sony as a reader, well other than the lack > of books. It looks beautiful, the output is wonderful and it looks > nice to hold. The kindle, well, it also has an impressive output and > so does the iRex. However, good battery longevity, great screen and > nice handling is a bonus, for a reader it is all about the books > available. If you are limited to only one bookstore, and reading > books is why you purchased the critter than you are asking to be > shafted, and hung out to dry. If you are only an occasionally reader > and using it mostly for your own stuff, then you need to find one that > allows you to create your own and carry it on the reader. ***Actually not every ebook company screws it's people over. Amazon/Mobipocket have a track record of it, but accusing Sony based on someone else's actions seems unwarranted. Timebook Town (Japan only ebook store) flopped and Sony learned a lot from that. > Now I understand some of the comments. I have 300 plus books in > mobipocket format, 200 plus books in the ereader format and a couple > of hundred in the rb format. I have been to the mobipocket.com site > for 4 of those. I shop at fictionwise.com, and baen books at > webscription.net for most of my selections. Both have almost > everything in the mobipocket format, secure or not secure. I go to > other of the lesser ebook stores trolling for new authors and found > many and they all carry the mobipocket format, usually ! unsecure > forms. Baen sells no secure formats, and the average book ranges from > 4 to 6 bucks. Their stable of authors is impressive. So, unless > Amazon owns the rights to the program and pulls that from the market, > there are more places out there that have the mobipocket than just > amazons site mobipocket.com. > As for keeping my books only on a server I don't own and operate? Not > in this lifetime. I have every book I have ever purchased copied to > dvds and cds. I may go back to the server for downloads, but I keep > every copy and try to do a once a month complete dump and put it on a > dvd. I recommend that everyone does this, if you care about rereading > anything. ***It's not a matter of keeping it on a server. It's a matter of the licensing servers going down and purchased books being unreadable due to that. That happened on Amazon's watch, quite possibly while they were upgrading them to handle the activation of AZW files for the Kindle (this is of course just supposition - but the timing was right). Mobipocket is now owned by Amazon and they've dumped their old formats before. That's why I personally choose not to buy Mobipocket: despite greater selection, I cannot support the kind of company that just pumps out ebooks and then dumps their customers leaving them with no product. > As for adobe format, all my purchases from that timed out. I could not > believe it, they timed out, what kind of bs is that? They think you > only read a book once? I have book series I have read 10 plus times > and plan on reading them a few more times before I die. I have plenty > of back up readers for all the ebooks I "own", but I am really hoping > to find a reader that I can live with in the next couple of years, > that just proves hope springs eternal. > Thanks for the message, you opened some doors. So other than the > kindle, irex, sony, fictionwise reader, palm devices, pocket pcs, any > other readers out there? From what I have discovered so far, I am not > getting another reader this year. Hopefully next year. > lee ***Phillips has some interesting concept devices in the works. :) Happy Thanksgiving, and good reading, all! > On Nov 21, 2007, at 7:16 PM, Ayrkain wrote: > >> >> ***Well, this is the Librie list, after all. The Sony Connect store is >> by no means perfect, but you're talking about hundreds of thousands of >> books - no one has that. Even Amazon only has 88,000 in it's AZW format >> (it's based on Mobipocket, but doesn't support DRM'ed Mobi files) right >> now, not hundreds of thousands. The Iliad is a great machine, but 800 >> bucks is a lot of money and many of the people on the Irex forum have >> expressed great dissatisfaction with the Iliad's battery life, as well >> as page turn times and other quirks in the firmware. One thin! g that >> S ony >> and Amazon have going for them is a very solid UI (I've only heard about >> the Kindle). >> >> You say Sony has a bad rep, but their reputation has little to do with >> whether or not the device works as promised. Amazon dumped their DRM'ed >> PDF files awhile back and left their customers out to dry. I know >> because I lost 4 PDFs that way. No major loss, but I wouldn't trust them >> with my money again. Mobipocket's servers went down awhile back and >> people couldn't access their books for several days (and they're owned >> by Amazon). Sorry to burst your bubble but there are no sure safe bets >> out there right now. >> >> Regards, >> Casey Sheldon >> > > Thread at a glance:
Previous Message by Date: click to view message previewRe: how to select an ebook readerFinally someone with some information. Actually this is listed as the libre and irex list. Which is why I am here, trolling for information. I only had to hear that sony was a you buy at my bookstore or go without to put it on my "not in my life time list". This isn't my first rodeo when it comes to e-readers and propriety book stores. So far I haven't found a living iRex user, even on the other site. Kindle looked good, until I found it was not listed as using the mobipocket, just mobi which may not be the same. Also why wouldn't Amazon use their own site for the books? So far no answers to that one either. Look, I am not knocking the Sony as a reader, well other than the lack of books. It looks beautiful, the output is wonderful and it looks nice to hold. The kindle, well, it also has an impressive output and so does the iRex. However, good battery longevity, great screen and nice handling is a bonus, for a reader it is all about the books available. If you are limited to only one bookstore, and reading books is why you purchased the critter than you are asking to be shafted, and hung out to dry. If you are only an occasionally reader and using it mostly for your own stuff, then you need to find one that allows you to create your own and carry it on the reader. Now I understand some of the comments. I have 300 plus books in mobipocket format, 200 plus book s in the ereader format and a couple of hundred in the rb format. I have been to the mobipocket.com site for 4 of those. I shop at fictionwise.com, and baen books at webscription.net for most of my selections. Both have almost everything in the mobipocket format, secure or not secure. I go to other of the lesser ebook stores trolling for new authors and found many and they all carry the mobipocket format, usually unsecure forms. Baen sells no secure formats, and the average book ranges from 4 to 6 bucks. Their stable of authors is impressive. So, unless Amazon owns the rights to the program and pulls that from the market, there are more places out there that have the mobipocket than just amazons site mobipocket.com. As for keeping my books only on a server I don't own and operate? Not in this lifetime. I have every book I have ever purchased copied to dvds and cds. I may go back to the server for downloads, but I keep every copy and try to do a once a month complete dump and put it on a dvd. I recommend that everyone does this, if you care about rereading anything. As for adobe format, all my purchases from that timed out. I could not believe it, they timed out, what kind of bs is that? They think you only read a book once? I have book series I have read 10 plus times and plan on reading them a few more times before I die. I have plenty of back up readers for all the ebooks I "own", but I am really hoping to find a reader that I can live with in the next couple of years, that just proves hope springs eternal. Thanks for the message, you opened some doors. So other than the kindle, irex, sony, fictionwise reader, palm devices, pocket pcs, any other readers out there? From what I have discovered so far, I am not getting another reader this year. Hopefully next year. leeOn Nov 21, 2007, at 7:16 PM, Ayrkain wrote:***Well, this is the Librie list, after all. The Sony Connect store is by no means perfect, but you're talking about hundreds of thousands of books - no one has that. Even Amazon only has 88,000 in it's AZW format (it's based on Mobipocket, but doesn't support DRM'ed Mobi files) right now, not hundreds of thousands. The Iliad is a great machine, but 800 bucks is a lot of money and many of the people on the Irex forum have expressed great dissatisfaction with the Iliad's battery life, as well as page turn times and other quirks in the firmware. One thing that Sony and Amazon have going for them is a very solid UI (I've only heard about the Kindle).You say Sony has a bad rep, but their reputation has little to do with whether or not the device works as promised. Amazon dumped their DRM'ed PDF files awhile back and left their customers out to dry. I know because I lost 4 PDFs that way. No major loss, but I wouldn't trust them with my money again. Mobipocket's servers went down awhile back and people couldn't access their books for several days (and they're owned by Amazon). Sorry to burst your bubble but there are no sure safe bets out there right now.Regards,Casey Sheldon __._,_.___ Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___ Next Message by Date: click to view message previewRe: how to select an ebook readerI turned down the Kindle because it is also going to be a you have to buy from us kinda ebook. Here is a company that owns the mobipocket ebook store, they create an ebook that cannot even use the DRMed ebooks the sell, and you know why, because you or I or the rest of the people who buy their reader might go to some other ebook seller and buy there. That is the bottom line, and that is the bottom line for all the ebook makers who decide to tie you to a new format that they control so if you want the newer ebooks that have to be DRMed, you have to buy from them.. If that floats your boat then go for it. If it doesn't bother you then go for it. I read too much to be hoping that they come out with enough books I want to read. I cannot be tied to that kind of reader. However, who ever gave you the idea that all mobipocket ebooks are DRMed, was sorely lacking in information. I have plenty of non drm mobipocket ebooks. They come from fictionwise, they come from Baen Books and a half dozen other ebook sellers. So they would probably work, however I am not picking on any ereader unless they, the creators, decide that you have to buy your books from them. It just doesn't work, there is no such thing as a single book store having all the books that I want to read. Even in real paper made book stores it just doesn't or didn't happen. I am against any ebook reader that you cannot go to at least a couple of different ebook stores and yes in different countries and purchase ebooks that will work on your reader. I will not be bound by someone's idea of what I should or can read. There is nothing wrong with the Sony, or the Kindle, if you don't mind only buying what they have, what they are willing to get to sell you. The one thing you say that I don't understand, there was never a time that my mobipocket books did not work. I have been reading them every day for the last year and I cannot understand how their server would effect the ebooks I have on my computer, cds, dvds, or on my reader. They are not in contact with that server and I believe they don't really care if it is up or down. Nor did fictionwise ever announce that no mobipocket ebook could be sold because a server that amazon owned was down. Once I put the ebook on my reader it has my pin/id/password and approves of me opening the ebook. I use no software to do this, I just drag and drop. However you are correct, I believe I have worn out my welcome here, I have found that this list doesn't have any live iRex users that I may question about their reader. So I am off to europe where I have found more information on the iRex and on another reader from i believe france or holland. One of the two places, no blue tooth, no wi fi, no hoops to jump through to get books. Uses Mobipocket format with and without drm. Just have to insult my mac and put xp on it. LeeOn Nov 22, 2007, at 12:38 AM, Ayrkain wrote:***The Kindle only uses non-DRM'ed Mobipocket. In other words, Amazon doesn't work with your purchased Mobipocket books - only AZW books which have to be purchased through the EVDO connection (if you don't have EVDO in your area, you can't buy books for it at all). All conversion (TXT, Non-DRM'ed MOBI & Non-DRM'ed PRC don't need conversion) has to go through Amazon's Whispermail system (mailed to Amazon, they convert to AZW, then mail it to your reader), which may be screening for whatever Amazon considers to be piracy (which may actually be within the bounds of fair use). I'm more than a little suspicious regarding this.***Actually not every ebook company screws it's people over. Amazon/Mobipocket have a track record of it, but accusing Sony based on someone else's actions seems unwarranted. Timebook Town (Japan only ebook store) flopped and So ny learned a lot from that.***It's not a matter of keeping it on a server. It's a matter of the licensing servers going down and purchased books being unreadable due to that. That happened on Amazon's watch, quite possibly while they were upgrading them to handle the activation of AZW files for the Kindle (this is of course just supposition - but the timing was right). Mobipocket is now owned by Amazon and they've dumped their old formats before. That's why I personally choose not to buy Mobipocket: despite greater selection, I cannot support the kind of company that just pumps out ebooks and then dumps their customers leaving them with no product.Messages in this topic (0)Reply (via web post) | Start a new topicMessages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Calendar Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | UnsubscribeRECENT ACTIVITY22New MembersVisit Your GroupOnly on Yahoo!World of Star WarsMeet fans, watchvideos & more.Drive TrafficSponsored Searchcan help increaseyour site traffic.Real Food GroupShare recipesand favorite mealsw/ Real Food lovers.. __._,_.___ Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___ Previous Message by Thread: click to view message previewRe: how to select an ebook readerFinally someone with some information. Actually this is listed as the libre and irex list. Which is why I am here, trolling for information. I only had to hear that sony was a you buy at my bookstore or go without to put it on my "not in my life time list". This isn't my first rodeo when it comes to e-readers and propriety book stores. So far I haven't found a living iRex user, even on the other site. Kindle looked good, until I found it was not listed as using the mobipocket, just mobi which may not be the same. Also why wouldn't Amazon use their own site for the books? So far no answers to that one either. Look, I am not knocking the Sony as a reader, well other than the lack of books. It looks beautiful, the output is wonderful and it looks nice to hold. The kindle, well, it also has an impressive output and so does the iRex. However, good battery longevity, great screen and nice handling is a bonus, for a reader it is all about the books available. If you are limited to only one bookstore, and reading books is why you purchased the critter than you are asking to be shafted, and hung out to dry. If you are only an occasionally reader and using it mostly for your own stuff, then you need to find one that allows you to create your own and carry it on the reader. Now I understand some of the comments. I have 300 plus books in mobipocket format, 200 plus book s in the ereader format and a couple of hundred in the rb format. I have been to the mobipocket.com site for 4 of those. I shop at fictionwise.com, and baen books at webscription.net for most of my selections. Both have almost everything in the mobipocket format, secure or not secure. I go to other of the lesser ebook stores trolling for new authors and found many and they all carry the mobipocket format, usually unsecure forms. Baen sells no secure formats, and the average book ranges from 4 to 6 bucks. Their stable of authors is impressive. So, unless Amazon owns the rights to the program and pulls that from the market, there are more places out there that have the mobipocket than just amazons site mobipocket.com. As for keeping my books only on a server I don't own and operate? Not in this lifetime. I have every book I have ever purchased copied to dvds and cds. I may go back to the server for downloads, but I keep every copy and try to do a once a month complete dump and put it on a dvd. I recommend that everyone does this, if you care about rereading anything. As for adobe format, all my purchases from that timed out. I could not believe it, they timed out, what kind of bs is that? They think you only read a book once? I have book series I have read 10 plus times and plan on reading them a few more times before I die. I have plenty of back up readers for all the ebooks I "own", but I am really hoping to find a reader that I can live with in the next couple of years, that just proves hope springs eternal. Thanks for the message, you opened some doors. So other than the kindle, irex, sony, fictionwise reader, palm devices, pocket pcs, any other readers out there? From what I have discovered so far, I am not getting another reader this year. Hopefully next year. leeOn Nov 21, 2007, at 7:16 PM, Ayrkain wrote:***Well, this is the Librie list, after all. The Sony Connect store is by no means perfect, but you're talking about hundreds of thousands of books - no one has that. Even Amazon only has 88,000 in it's AZW format (it's based on Mobipocket, but doesn't support DRM'ed Mobi files) right now, not hundreds of thousands. The Iliad is a great machine, but 800 bucks is a lot of money and many of the people on the Irex forum have expressed great dissatisfaction with the Iliad's battery life, as well as page turn times and other quirks in the firmware. One thing that Sony and Amazon have going for them is a very solid UI (I've only heard about the Kindle).You say Sony has a bad rep, but their reputation has little to do with whether or not the device works as promised. Amazon dumped their DRM'ed PDF files awhile back and left their customers out to dry. I know because I lost 4 PDFs that way. No major loss, but I wouldn't trust them with my money again. Mobipocket's servers went down awhile back and people couldn't access their books for several days (and they're owned by Amazon). Sorry to burst your bubble but there are no sure safe bets out there right now.Regards,Casey Sheldon __._,_.___ Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___ Next Message by Thread: click to view message previewRe: how to select an ebook readerI turned down the Kindle because it is also going to be a you have to buy from us kinda ebook. Here is a company that owns the mobipocket ebook store, they create an ebook that cannot even use the DRMed ebooks the sell, and you know why, because you or I or the rest of the people who buy their reader might go to some other ebook seller and buy there. That is the bottom line, and that is the bottom line for all the ebook makers who decide to tie you to a new format that they control so if you want the newer ebooks that have to be DRMed, you have to buy from them.. If that floats your boat then go for it. If it doesn't bother you then go for it. I read too much to be hoping that they come out with enough books I want to read. I cannot be tied to that kind of reader. However, who ever gave you the idea that all mobipocket ebooks are DRMed, was sorely lacking in information. I have plenty of non drm mobipocket ebooks. They come from fictionwise, they come from Baen Books and a half dozen other ebook sellers. So they would probably work, however I am not picking on any ereader unless they, the creators, decide that you have to buy your books from them. It just doesn't work, there is no such thing as a single book store having all the books that I want to read. Even in real paper made book stores it just doesn't or didn't happen. I am against any ebook reader that you cannot go to at least a couple of different ebook stores and yes in different countries and purchase ebooks that will work on your reader. I will not be bound by someone's idea of what I should or can read. There is nothing wrong with the Sony, or the Kindle, if you don't mind only buying what they have, what they are willing to get to sell you. The one thing you say that I don't understand, there was never a time that my mobipocket books did not work. I have been reading them every day for the last year and I cannot understand how their server would effect the ebooks I have on my computer, cds, dvds, or on my reader. They are not in contact with that server and I believe they don't really care if it is up or down. Nor did fictionwise ever announce that no mobipocket ebook could be sold because a server that amazon owned was down. Once I put the ebook on my reader it has my pin/id/password and approves of me opening the ebook. I use no software to do this, I just drag and drop. However you are correct, I believe I have worn out my welcome here, I have found that this list doesn't have any live iRex users that I may question about their reader. So I am off to europe where I have found more information on the iRex and on another reader from i believe france or holland. One of the two places, no blue tooth, no wi fi, no hoops to jump through to get books. Uses Mobipocket format with and without drm. Just have to insult my mac and put xp on it. LeeOn Nov 22, 2007, at 12:38 AM, Ayrkain wrote:***The Kindle only uses non-DRM'ed Mobipocket. In other words, Amazon doesn't work with your purchased Mobipocket books - only AZW books which have to be purchased through the EVDO connection (if you don't have EVDO in your area, you can't buy books for it at all). All conversion (TXT, Non-DRM'ed MOBI & Non-DRM'ed PRC don't need conversion) has to go through Amazon's Whispermail system (mailed to Amazon, they convert to AZW, then mail it to your reader), which may be screening for whatever Amazon considers to be piracy (which may actually be within the bounds of fair use). I'm more than a little suspicious regarding this.***Actually not every ebook company screws it's people over. Amazon/Mobipocket have a track record of it, but accusing Sony based on someone else's actions seems unwarranted. Timebook Town (Japan only ebook store) flopped and So ny learned a lot from that.***It's not a matter of keeping it on a server. It's a matter of the licensing servers going down and purchased books being unreadable due to that. That happened on Amazon's watch, quite possibly while they were upgrading them to handle the activation of AZW files for the Kindle (this is of course just supposition - but the timing was right). Mobipocket is now owned by Amazon and they've dumped their old formats before. That's why I personally choose not to buy Mobipocket: despite greater selection, I cannot support the kind of company that just pumps out ebooks and then dumps their customers leaving them with no product.Messages in this topic (0)Reply (via web post) | Start a new topicMessages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Calendar Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! 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