Re: Seaside vs. AIDA

Leon,

I am both "new" to Smalltalk (been staring at an "empty" browser for a couple of years!) and to Aida, but believed in the ability of Smalltalk to be the right tool for the job to build some tools I need in a Healthcare Environment.  I didn't know which to choose either!

As a new Smalltalker, I couldn't understand Seaside to the point where I could figure out how things worked and how to do something with it WITHOUT following a tutorial line by line--and yet it felt very "meta-capable."  Just beyond me!  However, I have no doubt it can do great things.  It just feels very theory-based for a newcomer.  I felt like I HAD to understand web programming and HTML just to make it work.

Aida, I got.  Very down to earth.  Almost like "PRINT 'Hello'".  It seems to abstract the web aspect a little better (for me).  While I still have to ask for help, I'm usually "almost there" on my own.  It just seems to "make sense" to me.  I think I have actually been able to turn a major Smalltalk learning curve because of Aida.  I like the strong Model-View relationship it forces you to use, and, indeed, supports what I am calling the "Model-View-Design" triad whereby (if I actually knew more CSS) it is relatively straightforward to restyle your site separate from your view and from your model.  (I am SURE Seaside does this too...again...how?!) .

I'm not trying to make a pitch either way, I just followed the "keep it simple" motto and went with what I could understand, and yet I still worry about my choice occasionally because of the very large Seaside bandwagon--Will there be more examples available?  Will I be able to get more help with Seaside?  All that stuff.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that even if the objective facts pointed out that Seaside was better, smarter, faster...it still wouldn't work for ME right now because I can't make it work.  Aida could be that way for you--I would go with whichever fits YOU better (or your team), because they both seem like mature products that will be around for a while.

Rob

On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Leon Smith <lsmith@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I don't want to start a war here, but I have been through the first steps
with both Seaside and AIDA/Web, enough to build the start of a web site.
Before I make the commitment to one or the other, I wonder if anyone has
done a recent, objective comparison between the two ?

They both seem very capable. I felt like I turned out a better looking
product a little easier with AIDA, but I sense that Seaside has a much
larger following. I also wonder if continuations are that important to me.
They also have a great many similarities. To the point where I think I could
change AIDA to use a lot of Seaside if not the other way around.

Any real experiences between the two will be most appreciated. This is a
major decision point for me.

Leon
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