Re: wxPerl Community project...

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From: Mark Dootson [mailto:mark.dootson@xxxxxxxx]
Sent: Mon 2/12/2007 6:45 PM
To: Donovan Allen
Cc: wxperl-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [wxperl-users] wxPerl Community project...

> I guess it goes back to Huub's original mail in that a common repository
> for all things wxPerl would be quite nice. I have no real opinion about
> what the back end to this should be nor where it might be hosted other
> than that as it all ultimately depends on Mattias' work, you'd need a
> good reason not to host it at wxperl.sourceforge.net. I'm not saying
> there aren't good reasons - its just a straightforward non-loaded statement.

I don't have a stronge opion here.  Not sure what I said that was or wasn't in 
support of this.  However, whatever the hosting solution is, it must be 
maintable by more than one person.  I think that was one aspect of Huub's 
original concept and also why there are other wxPerl wiki's out there...the 
need for a community to be in control of it's own destiny. 

> I see no reason why a wxPerlIDE couldn't live alongside work on specific
> applications. After all, if you believe that application 'A' is the way
> to go, then you're much more likely to contribute to application 'A'
> rather than 'B'. I didn't mean to disparage 'killer app' as an idea. Its
> just not 'application A' for me.

I really don't either.  My one concern, and only in so much as a community 
driven app, is that there are already few of us here and then dividing 
interests again will either result in longer dev time to product, smaller 
products, or large but unfiinished products.

> As for creating square wheels you may be right. I personally have
> finally got to the stage where I have a bunch of base frame and dialog
> classes that do stuff just the way I like and I don't actually use any
> dialog designer at all. (I'm still struggling with the POE question
> though so will be off to look at Eric's code shortly). But it took me a
> long time to get there. I figured wxPerlIDE would provide an easier
> entry point for new users from both a practical usage and example code
> point of view.

Agreed.  I see the benefits of wxPerlIDE as well and only stated that I 
personally wasn't certain it was the right killer app to meet all of the items 
on my list of what a killer app would ideally do for the community.   I would 
personally love to use it (not so much interest in building it tho - and if 
guaging the work done on other Perl IDEs is any indication - not usually 
something that more than one person has great motivation for).

> The Web3 stuff, of course, is born out of issues and questions that many
> people have to solve every working day. Perl / CPAN offers superior
> solutions to most of this already but is often not the solution of
> choice. I really do believe that wxPerl + CPAN + Perl + some snappy new
> framework name is a solution that could be working 'in the wild' in very
> short order.

Again, we agree.  My only comment is that what better way to get people excited 
about something new AND educate them on how to use it with an app that is a 
very functional example of what it does and even has utility purpose.  A 
wxPerlIDE fits the bill with every aspect except the exposure outside of the 
current and active perl community.

> Bizarely, I think that the most important part of this is the snappy new
> framework name - but then maybe I've just spent too much time in the
> company of people who want their solutions to be 'SOA re-architected in
> .NET' and are responsible for the hideous re-animation of that 1980's
> piece of corporate babble-speak, the 'paradigm shift'.

Lol.  I know...sad, but true.  We need our .NET, our AJAX, our SOAP, and our 
Rails.  We need a compelling and very high profile reason for people to return 
to perl or learn perl now.

> But I find myself digressing. Lets have 'Killer App' and 'wxPerlIDE' at
> a common home.

Agreed agreed agreed.  Infact, I think we agree on everything except the app, 
and even then marginally so. 

 


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