Hi,
I am less than a beginner in WXPerl, and maybe it will help you if I tell
you what stopped me learning WXPerl.
I have tried first learning WXPerl, (before using Win32::GUI) and I didn't
like its syntax. The Win32::GUI syntax is much clear. Well I think the
syntax cannot be changed, but maybe it could be better explained (like for
those who don't know C or other languages than perl).
Then I have tried some WXPerl demos and here I found many issues. There are
many widgets that are not accessible for everyone (I am blind and I am using
a screen reader).
For example, the HTML widget is not accessible. Maybe some widgets depend on
WX widgets and cannot be made accessible in WXPerl, but I think all the
demos should be as much accessible as possible only using a keyboard (with
no mouse).
Regarding the accessibility, Win32::GUI is much better accessible.
I became interested again in WXPerl, because Win32::GUI doesn't support
UTF-8 and I need this, but I still find it same inaccessible and hard to
learn.
I have tried reading the WXPerl manual (that in .chm format), but I have
seen that for very many widgets and methods "this is not implemented in
WXPerl yet" and this is not very encouraging.
And I have also seen that WXPython is better promoted. (Too bad, because I
don't know Python).
Octavian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Foo JH" <jhfoo-ml@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Huub Peters" <huub@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: <wxperl-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 4:49 AM
Subject: Re: [wxperl-users] wxPerl Community project...
> Firstly, I'd like to applaud Peters for his proactive stance towards the
> problem statement.
>
> I think there's a (relatively) small but helpful community in this
> mailing list, who have once faced the pain of learning the wxPerl
> framework, but have since learnt enough on their own to be less bothered
> by them.
>
> I however am one who sort of got stuck with the pain, and have since
> resorted to C# to get around the issues. It's a sad departure, and one
> I'd like to return to again. Contrary to popular belief, programming
> stuff in Perl is REALLY fast and efficient (but the memory footprint can
> be improved...).
>
> Like any other community, wxPerl needs to be friendly to 'new blood'.
> And for these people, we need something simple for them to get started
> on. What we have now are:
> 1. A couple of aged tutorials from perl.com and sourceforge.net
> 2. A few sets of integrated demos showing how the GUI components work,
> with source codes
> 3. An aged documentation on the classes
>
> IMHO, these stuff are good, but need some form of updating to the more
> recent library. Looking at how 'others have done it', a constant (if
> even a trickle) stream of tips and tricks will be very encouraging,
> especially for people who need to know if wxPerl will be worth their
> time and effort.
>
> Let's face it. Perl is really starting to look like Cobol in the sense
> of mindshare of the developer community. Slashdot ppl have been
> questioning the relavance of Perl in today's OS environments. And it's
> not because Perl sucks, but because they don't see anything new coming
> from this community. It's a human mentality, and it is a self-fulfilling
> prophecy.
>
> To sum it up, if we can get a few good men to put up a fresh new look
> for wxPerl, I'm all for it. Just let me know where I can butt in.
>
>
>
>
> Huub Peters wrote:
>> Hello list,
>>
>> I know many others have proposed it in the past and (maybe not so) many
>> initiatives have been actually executed but we really need a central
>> community kind of place.
>>
>> The german wiki (http://www.wxperl.de) is a mess (spammed all the time
>> and even a defacing at this moment).
>> The wiki at http://wxperl.pvoice.org/kwiki/ is a nice effort but only
>> thanks to some users (or even only one? jralls?) it is staying free of
>> spam but there are no new articles posted at all. Why? Don't know.
>> It's probably not known and personaly I just don't like the
>> Kwiki-software
>> but that's a matter of taste off course.
>> (On a side note: Jouke (whose place this wiki is hosted on) has anounced
>> on his weblog on 24-09-2006 that he will be offline for an undetermined
>> ammount of time due to personal issues. Otherwise I would have taken this
>> up with him directly to begin with.)
>>
>> There are other spots with excelent stuff (like gigi.co.uk) but I only
>> heard
>> about that on this list and it is decentralized this way.
>>
>> I can go on with being negative and summing up what I think is "wrong"
>> and compare to "the great wxPython community" but that won't solve a
>> thing
>> so here's what I came up with:
>>
>> * I took the liberty of registering wxperl.info.
>> A good domain name improves "findability"
>> * I'm in the lucky position of having hosting facilities and a lot of
>> fast bandwidth to go with it that I can use. (the company where I work
>> has no problems with me using it)
>> * I started writing this mail :-)
>>
>> So what's next...?
>> Next I need ideas and help.
>>
>> Here are some of my ideas:
>> * We need a user friendly, nice looking wiki.
>> Something like "Mediawiki" (the heart of Wikipedia) but offcourse I
>> can't live with a perl community on a php-driven site so after some
>> searching I found Twiki: http://www.twiki.org which looks robust
>> enough
>> to me.
>> * We need tutorials
>> * We need Howto's.
>> * We need tips and tricks.
>> * Maybe write up the problems and solutions from the mailing list.
>> * Maybe a forum for some nice discussions (alltough it might clash with
>> the mailing list)
>> * Show of your work.
>>
>> Bottom line: we need a central community where beginners and experts can
>> teach and learn about wxPerl.
>> I'm trying to offer the place to start this and hope it will grow to be
>> as
>> big as
>> wxPerl deserves it to be.
>>
>> E-mail me on or off list with your thoughts/ideas/offers etcetera and
>> maybe we'll have a nice community in no time.
>>
>> Huub Peters
>>
>>
>>
>>
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