And you just finally chime in today!?! :P
Thanks, I'll check it out.
On Sat, 2005-03-12 at 08:48 -0500, Dan Collis Puro wrote:
> On Fri, 2005-03-11 at 22:59 -0600, Andres Monroy-Hernandez wrote:
> > Stephen,
> >
> > In my opinion, one of the best CMS written Perl is WebGUI:
> > http://www.plainblack.com/webgui. But I am not sure if you must have
> > root and shell access to install it.
> >
> > By the way, Oddmuse looks pretty cool. I'll give it a try.
> >
> > -Andres
> >
>
> I'm one of the core WebGUI developers. I haven't been doing much with it
> recently because we're going through some massive API changes in
> preparation of upcoming stable branch (you know the drill- "it's ready
> when it's ready") and I've been incredibly busy with other stuff. . .
> Anyway: progress is being made rapidly, though, and I feel confident
> we'll be stable soon.
>
> WebGUI, in terms of high-level tools for managing websites, sits a level
> above Plone/Zope and a few levels above other toolkits like Axkit,
> HTML::Mason, and OpenACS. (Mason is very cool, I'm just picking it up
> after years coding CGI::Application/HTML::Template apps, writing my
> first HTML::Mason/Alzabo e-commerce system.)
>
> The neatest thing about WebGUI is that it conceives of websites the way
> a lot of people do- to WebGUI, a site is just a bunch of pages with
> "things" on them. Those things can be articles, discussion forums,
> blogs, image galleries, Syndicated RSS content, FAQ lists, etc. You can
> copy an already created object and paste it elsewhere on the site,
> create "shortcuts" to objects, and in the new branch drag-and-drop
> content around the page to re-arrange it.
>
> With WebGUI I can create feature-rich user-managed sites very quickly,
> and non-technical folks can manage them. One exampe: update a blog, a
> user just needs to sign in, move to the page, hit "new posting", type,
> and hit "save". More advanced folks can do a lot more, obviously.
>
> WebGUI is pretty easily extended (once you learn the API) and doesn't
> reinvent the wheel every chance they get- we use a plethora of modules-
> HTML::Template, CGI.pm, HTML::TagFilter, HTML::Highlight, etc. There is
> a bit of a 'maverick' feel to some of the development (I'd love to see
> stuff generalized a bit more so that it can be released to CPAN) but
> overall there is a very competent developer community.
>
> WebGUI dictates very little about how a site should look- you aren't
> trapped into the three-column "boxes on the left, boxes on the right,
> content in the middle" paradigm at all, you can drop stuff anywhere and
> arrange your auto-updating navigation stuff in a bunch of different
> ways. Nearly everything is templatted in HTML::Template, and you can
> edit the templates right in your browser.
>
> Unlike some of the pukey PHP systems out there, you don't have to edit a
> mixture of code and presentation or deal with this false templatting of
> "skins" where can only change very specific bits related to
> presentation. You can make it look *however* you want, without a lot of
> non-obvious boundaries.
>
> The entire management interface is translated into some ungodly amount
> of languages, it's got a user/group based permission system and a MUCH
> improved internal search engine in the new branch.
>
> To run WebGUI with acceptable performance it needs to run under
> mod_perl. For some hosts that may mean you can run it without root
> access, and I suppose you could install without shell access, too. But
> that would suck.
>
> If you're familiar with perl and *nix, you probably wouldn't have a lot
> of trouble setting it up.
>
> I host a bunch of WebGUI instances for clients, it's pretty stable and
> can handle a lot of traffic- I had one client that got hammered
> (including two slashdottings) around the election and WebGUI (and some
> custom mod_perl handlers) took it easily.
>
> Of all the CMSs I've evaluated, WebGUI offers the best chance that
> non-technical users will actually be able to use it quickly without a
> lot of custom development and huge amounts of training on your part.
> I've got a bunch of clients that barely understand how anything works
> about the web that can still keep stuff up to date.
>
> Stuff I want to see get better is a meta-data system that allows for
> faceted classification and more complete XML/RSS creation from
> "wobjects."
>
> I really dig it, the demo ( http://demo.plainblack.com ) really *does
> not* do it justice, even though it's still pretty neat. Keep in mind the
> demo is running the beta, so there will be some stuff that's broken.
>
> -DJCP
>
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> >
> >
> >
> > The prospect of wading through tons of OO PHP code in order to customize
> > a CMS is disheartening. Having to learn Python just to use some of the
> > great Python based CMS's is even more depressing. I just wanted an easy
> > to use, easy to set-up and install, easy to theme, Perl based CMS.
> > Further, (believe it or not) I don't have shell or root access to the
> > hosting web server. Some compromise, somewhere, needs to be made!
> >
> >
> >
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