Re: Re: Where do we go from here to get to 2.2 "proper"

Hi Samuele, 

Thanks for your reply. Yes, I started going through the codebase about a 
fortnight ago and I can understand/imagine the difficulty of maintaining the 
current codebase--it is certainly not an easy task, and like Walter said, it 
took a certain interesting set of skills as well.

About priority--I guess the fact that Frank was the one who had to come up with 
the new website was rather unfortunate since he's one of the few who are 
already familiar enough with the codebase to do something meaningful about it, 
i.e.: not taking anything from what Frank has had to do, but website is 
something that relatively a lot of people can do, whereas Jython development is 
something that maybe only less than, say, 10? people in the world currently can 
do. 

Going forward, the "pulse" that we send out to the world, i.e.: "Jython is 
alive!" is crucial. And IMO, nothing, nothing is a stronger pulse than releases 
towards the 2.2 release. OTOH, IMHO, the type of source repository (e.g.: 
Subversion vs. CVS) is not so visible a sign of life for Jython--not much 
impact to the user, not much impact to the managers to whom we've gotta sell it 
to. My guessing is that the need for Subversion arises because you are about to 
do a lot of refactorings? e.g.: moving files around, renaming files etc. ?  

I am absolutely aware that Jython vs. IronPython comparison is not fair because 
the latter has a team of dedicated, full-time employees, but the type of the 
pulse that they send, e.g.: frequent release (even if each release is not 
perfect), is a very strong indication of IronPython's aliveness. As a result 
the IP community is testing each release stringently, they can't wait to get a 
new release and test the heck out of it and play with it--it's really like a 
blog, where the fastest way for you to get people to stop coming to your site 
is by stop blogging. 

In any case, here I am wishing Frank the best in his dealings with the PSF! 
Hope the grant would come out soon... as well as 2.2 :) Would an online 
petition help in any case? :) I believe there are a bunch of us who'd be more 
than happy to sign if it'll help your case. 

Thanks,
Ray 

----- Original Message ----
From: Samuele Pedroni <pedronis@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: Ray Djajadinata <rayfd_2000@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: jython-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 11:16:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Jython-users] Re: Where do we go from here to get to 2.2 "proper"

well, I think people underestimate how difficult to maintain the 
codebase is, it takes a lot of time to absorb enough of it such that 
making changes does not too easely
break things or subtly change the presented behavior.

So its cleanup, which of course is a delicate thing in itself, is a very 
important priority.

Also CPython is not going to slow down for us, being ruthless at 
prioritizing is central.





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