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Subject: Re: [Jgeneral] Re: J as a functional programming language - msg#00107List: lang.j.general----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Ydreos" <dydre-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <general-eCoxsOKuxbJl57MIdRCFDg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [Jgeneral] Re: J as a functional programming language I think the statement that APL and J are not programming languages is simply wrong. There are other things that may only be executable notation but APL and J are not only executable notation, they are sufficient for programming anything computable (by the programmer). If you do not know how to program something however, you won't be able to program it in any language. Donna From: "John Randall" <randall-PWLG29+z7hGQx1UhjctXSe9C2OvN9rO5@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Reply-To: General forum <general-eCoxsOKuxbJl57MIdRCFDg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "General forum" <general-eCoxsOKuxbJl57MIdRCFDg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [Jgeneral] Re: J as a functional programming language Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 07:36:53 -0400 (EDT) Mark D. Niemiec wrote: > PGauthier-oQFXY4Vn4Wdl57MIdRCFDg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: > >> J, like APL, are not programming languages, they are executable >> notations. > > Back at school, we had a particular metric we used to distinguish > those things that could be called programming languages: > If you could write Towers of Hanoi in it, it was a programming > language. > Using this metric, J qualifies. > Can anyone explain to me in simple terms what is meant by "executable notation" versus "programming language"? I have never understood the distinction, but some obviously consider it important, if not crucial. Thanks. John ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm Thread at a glance:
Previous Message by Date: click to view message previewRe: [Jgeneral] Re: J as a functional programming languageI think the statement that APL and J are not programming languages is simply wrong. There are other things that may only be executable notation but APL and J are not only executable notation, they are sufficient for programming anything computable (by the programmer). If you do not know how to program something however, you won't be able to program it in any language. Donna From: "John Randall" <randall-PWLG29+z7hGQx1UhjctXSe9C2OvN9rO5@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Reply-To: General forum <general-eCoxsOKuxbJl57MIdRCFDg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "General forum" <general-eCoxsOKuxbJl57MIdRCFDg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [Jgeneral] Re: J as a functional programming language Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 07:36:53 -0400 (EDT) Mark D. Niemiec wrote: > PGauthier-oQFXY4Vn4Wdl57MIdRCFDg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: > >> J, like APL, are not programming languages, they are executable >> notations. > > Back at school, we had a particular metric we used to distinguish > those things that could be called programming languages: > If you could write Towers of Hanoi in it, it was a programming language. > Using this metric, J qualifies. > Can anyone explain to me in simple terms what is meant by "executable notation" versus "programming language"? I have never understood the distinction, but some obviously consider it important, if not crucial. Thanks. John ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm Next Message by Date: click to view message previewRe: [Jgeneral] Learning J revised for J601Thanks, Alex Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Rufon" <alex_rufon-YGkSa2dNrYpmbZtjAW+qKA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "General forum" <general-eCoxsOKuxbJl57MIdRCFDg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 7:56 AM Subject: RE: [Jgeneral] Learning J revised for J601 Oops. I've forgotten about the 100k max email limit. The MS-Reader eBook conversion of Learning J MS Word document is around 366kb and I temporarily uploaded it to this URL: http://jlibrary.homeip.net/cache/learningj.lit.zip I hope somebody find this useful. r/Alex -----Original Message----- From: general-bounces-eCoxsOKuxbJl57MIdRCFDg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:general-bounces-eCoxsOKuxbJl57MIdRCFDg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Rufon Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 9:57 AM To: General forum Subject: RE: [Jgeneral] Learning J revised for J601 Hello. I converted the MS-Word file to MS-Reader so that pocket pc users of J can read/bring along a copy of your work in their PDA's. r/Alex -----Original Message----- From: general-bounces-eCoxsOKuxbJl57MIdRCFDg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:general-bounces-eCoxsOKuxbJl57MIdRCFDg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Roger Stokes Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 5:35 PM To: General forum Subject: [Jgeneral] Learning J revised for J601 There is a revised draft of "Learning J" available at www.rogerstokes.free-online.co.uk/learningj.htm This draft (dated June 2006), is aimed at making sure the material is in line with J601. x. and y. have been replaced everywhere by x and y, and all the examples executed with a beta of J601. There is: an online version a singe zip of all the HTML a version in .pdf format a version in MS Word .doc format Regards Roger Stokes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm Previous Message by Thread: click to view message previewRe: [Jgeneral] Re: J as a functional programming languageI think the statement that APL and J are not programming languages is simply wrong. There are other things that may only be executable notation but APL and J are not only executable notation, they are sufficient for programming anything computable (by the programmer). If you do not know how to program something however, you won't be able to program it in any language. Donna From: "John Randall" <randall-PWLG29+z7hGQx1UhjctXSe9C2OvN9rO5@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Reply-To: General forum <general-eCoxsOKuxbJl57MIdRCFDg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "General forum" <general-eCoxsOKuxbJl57MIdRCFDg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [Jgeneral] Re: J as a functional programming language Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 07:36:53 -0400 (EDT) Mark D. Niemiec wrote: > PGauthier-oQFXY4Vn4Wdl57MIdRCFDg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: > >> J, like APL, are not programming languages, they are executable >> notations. > > Back at school, we had a particular metric we used to distinguish > those things that could be called programming languages: > If you could write Towers of Hanoi in it, it was a programming language. > Using this metric, J qualifies. > Can anyone explain to me in simple terms what is meant by "executable notation" versus "programming language"? I have never understood the distinction, but some obviously consider it important, if not crucial. Thanks. John ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm Next Message by Thread: click to view message preview[Jgeneral] Re: J as a functional programming languageRe opened this topic in chat Hope everyone will rejoin there Eric Iverson eiverson at sympatico.ca Fri Jul 14 22:04:52 HKT 2006 Previous message: Eric Iverson eiverson at sympatico.ca Fri Jul 14 22:04:52 HKT 2006 Previous message: [Jgeneral] Re: J as a functional programming language Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Paul should have started this thread on chat. Please move future discussion on this to chat. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Paul should have started this thread on chat. Please move future discussion on this to chat. 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