Re: PIM Integration for Editor with code folding

On Thursday 23 September 2004 14:29, Oliver Oppitz wrote:
> Hi all,

Hi,

Did you consider kjots, or one of the similar utilities - knowit, etc - found 
at www.kde-apps.org?

-anders

> On the kde-pim mailing list there recently was a thread discussing the
> need to have a single place to collect all the information one needs to
> manage ones tasks/projects
> ( http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-pim&m=109428569108521&w=2 ). I fully agree
> with Heiko and Ingo in this respect. As such a tool does not exist today,
> we use a wide collection of more less separate tools:
> - collecting contacts in KMail,
> - web-links in some browser,
> - appointments/todos in a third tool,
> - messages in mail threads of endless length and
> - additional information about project in (unstructured) text files
>
> Each of these tools allow to structure the information it collects (mail
> folders, bookmark folders, todo categories, contact groups, ...) but still
> its a trouble to find the things I need, at least when a project grows to
> a substantial size (see [1]).
>
> But there is a neat solution to this problem: using structured text with
> links to the respective
> resources. That idea I propose here is entirely based on org-mode being
> written by Carsten Dominik
> (http://remote.science.uva.nl/~dominik/Tools/org/). The only shortcoming
> (or major advantage ;-) of org-mode is, that it is for Emacs... and most
> people will sadly never come to convert to this editor...
>
> So what org-mode offers and what I propose to implement in an KDE or plain
> Qt application is the integration of todo-lists, code-folding,
> diary-entries, dead-line tracking, web-links,... in a simple text file
> (see sample below!) The hierarchy is created by "*", "**", "***", ... as
> you type. If you load the file in Emacs with org-mode you can fold/unfold
> the hierarchy by pressing <tab>,<shift-tab> if the cursor is at the
> beginning of the line - you keep the overview easily. When you place the
> cursor on a "mailto:....."; entry and press C-c o the (external) mailtool
> starts up. Same with http:. When you press C-c t, the whole hierarchy is
> collapsed and only the nodes with active TODO items remain visibile. There
> is an integration with the emacs diary even, so it warns you when some
> deadline elapses... and all this neatly embedded in a single document
> where you can create a hierarchy and order to your needs... As everything
> is text you remain very flexible with manipulating it.
>
> I would like to write an KDE or plain Qt application (or extend one;
> Kate?) that offers the same features with an integration to the KDE PIM
> applications. I do not think it's a huge thing, using the right base.
> After all it is an editor with code-folding and some links. Despite this I
> can assure you it is a tremendously useful tool: I see it every day with
> org-mode (thanks Carsten ;-).
>
> For a future version I have some more ideas in mind, e.g. to maintain a
> history of changes that can easily be navigated (not simply undo/redo),
> but lasting over the whole change history of the file. Also, allowing
> members of a project group to share such a file (some locking mechanisms?)
> could be very usefull...
>
> You see, there are lots of ideas. But before diving into details of
> implementation: is there anyone interested in using such a tool, believing
> in its usefulness and/or willing to support the development?
>
> Bye,
>
>    Oliver
>
>
> PS: After typing this mail I found a tool for Windows - Cuecards - that
> adresses some of these issues. however, it is a hierarchical collection of
> individual nodes ("text cards") and does not represent a single text file.
> In my view this is a major disadvantage. Open source can do way better ;-)
> http://www.mhst.net/cuecards2000/index.html
>
> PPS: There is a similar tool (with the same shortcomings IMHO) for Linux:
> http://www.tuxcards.de/ It seems a number of people see the need for such
> a tool, right?
>
>
> ----------- sample file for org-mode ---------------------------------
>
> PIM Integration for Kate or other Editor
>
> * Global Idea
>
>    To have single spot (in KDE?) to collect all information relevant for a
>    project. Should be a text file similar to org-mode (emacs, see related
>    projects below). Possibility to insert links (http, mail, LDAP, ...),
>
> * General todo issuse
>
> ** DONE <2004-09-11 Sa> Announce idea at  mailto:kde-pim@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> ** TODO <2004-09-11 Sa> Write to mailto:kwrite-devel@xxxxxxx
>
> ** <2004-09-12 So> Discussion with Markus and Basti
>
>
> * Relevant Contacts
>
> ** Kate Developers
>
>      Christoph Cullmann mailto:cullmann@xxxxxxx
>
>      Anders Lund        mailto:anders@xxxxxxxx
>
>      Joseph Wenninger   mailto:jowenn@xxxxxxx
>      (did the syntax highlighting I believe)
>
>      Phlip              mailto:phlip_cpp@xxxxxxxxxxx
>      Micheal Bart       mailto:michael.bartl1@xxxxxxxxx
>
> ** Related Projects
>
>     org-mode:    http://www.astro.uva.nl/~dominik/Tools/org/org.el
>
>     Developer Carsten Dominik: mailto:dominik@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>     TODO talk to Carsten about the idea
>
> * Interesting Technologies
>
> ** Wiki
>
>      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki#Jargon
>
>      Wiki uses a very simple syntax that is quite close to the org-mode
>      syntax. Could not that be a basis for integration with a wiki-engine?
>      Would not that open the doors for group-collaboration, but with a
> *nice*
>      frontend (code-folding editor with additional functions like todo-list
>      tracking etc.?)
>
> ** WebDAV
>
>     [...]
>
> ** XML
>
>     [...]
>
> ** LDAP
>
>     [...]
>
>
> ------------------- end of sample file -------------------
>
>
> [1] [Copied from http://docushare.xerox.com/ds30/ds30.html ]
>
>      In today's business environment, effectively managing information can
> be
>      an organization's greatest challenge -- and its greatest opportunity
> for
>      improved performance. Industry statistics show that:
>      - The average office worker spends 40% of their time looking for
> information
>      - The average  document is copied or reproduced 11 times
>      - When an employee leaves a company, 70% of their knowledge leaves
> with them
>
>
> [2] org-mode: http://www.astro.uva.nl/~dominik/Tools/org/org.el
>
>
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>
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