Re: Bluetooth Java Games

Hi,

When you say that the P900 will not allow more than 1 Bluetooth
connection...

Do you mean that the LocalDevice property for maximum connections reports
only 2? Or do you mean that you have tested this and you could get only 2
P900s to connect?

Peter


> From: Ulf Soderberg <ulso@xxxxxxxxxx>
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> Subject: Re: Bluetooth Java Games
> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 12:03:00 +0100
>
> I have a P900. It would seem that the Symbian implementation of the
> JSR-82 API wont allow more than one Bluetooth connection a time. This
> means that, without some extra hardware that acts as a multiplayer game
> server, it will be hard to support more than two active players.
>
> As it happens, our company has developed a wireless access gateway that
> works as a Java programmable WiFi and Bluetooth access point. This
> device also has the JSR-82 API (no obex yet) which means that it's easy
> to write your own game server application in Java.
>
> I was going to develop some kind of instant messaging proxy for
> Bluetooth enabled devices like the new phones and PDAs, and I guess it
> would be easy to make some kind of piconet extender for multiplayer games.
>
> /Ulf
>
> Peter Rogers wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > OK first of all why?
> >
> > Its simple multiplayer gaming will be huge! Look at XBox Live. Its a
> > given
> > :-)
> >
> > Why Bluetooth? Its simple, who wants to build servers and get charged for
> > data traffic over GPRS?
> >
> > So I think Bluetooth multiplayer games will be huge. There are plenty of
> > Symbian ones already available. The racing ones are really good and are
> > doing really well.
> >
> > The Nokia 6600 and Sony P900 already support JSR 82. Any Symbian 7.0.S
> > handset will also be supporting it though, and there are plenty more
> > in the
> > pipeline, like the Nokia 7700.
> >
> > I noticed a posting from someone with a Sony P900, could that person
> > please
> > explain to us a bit about what the MIDP 2.0 port is like, in
> > particular the
> > Java Bluetooth implementation.
> >
> > So in 6 months there will be a lot more.
> >
> > As for 2 players that is incorrect. Bluetooth can actually support up
> > to 200
> > passive connections. On actual devices this is limited to the non parked
> > connection use case, which leaves the figure at 7.
> >
> > The 6600 does seem to support only 2 players, but there are ways round
> > this,
> > and the 7700 may move the figure to 7.
> >
> > The native games I have seen have only been 2 players and actually work
> > really well, think fighting and racing. However I know that N-gage dev
> > teams
> > are looking at much higher numbers, Red Faction is 4 player and a new WW2
> > game will be even more.
> >
> > Personally I think this is a going to be a huge market and I really hope
> > that we all make some money out of this :-)
> >
> > Even if we don't make any cash, multiplayer gaming is all about what we
> > should be doing in J2ME, remember CLDC (one of the C's stands for
> > CONNECTED). These are mobile phones remember?
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > From: samnova <sam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Reply-To: A mailing list for KVM discussion <KVM-INTEREST@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: KVM-INTEREST@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: Re: Bluetooth Java Games
> > > Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 15:26:21 +0100
> > >
> > > Hi Peter,
> > >
> > > I decided not to go directly (yet).
> > >
> > > We are a mobile games developer and publisher (See www.mobilescope.com)
> > > and yes, we have considered what Bluetooth can do for us..and right now
> > > my answer is: nothing
> > >
> > > (Keep in mind, I'm NOT talking about Symbian, just J2ME.. Where we do
> > > our business)
> > >
> > > Right now the problem is the lack of devices, so far only the 6600
> > > supports it (as far as I know). Of course this is changing, like one of
> > > the new s40 phones will also support it.
> > >
> > > We do have one game where we talked to the external developer about
> > > Bluetooth, they wanted to do it, we said, WAIT and see :)
> > >
> > > But one thing that hits me, is what you write "> Are there are any
> > > companies out there looking for Bluetooth multiplayer games?" . For me
> > > multiplayer is more than 2 people playing. But right now the 6600 only
> > > supports 2 players, right ? (I might be very wrong here)...
> > >
> > > Another thing, I don't see a business for pure multiplayer games with
> > > Bluetooth for a long time to come. Rather I see games where the
> > > Bluetooth element is a extra feature.. Like Soccer game ;)
> > >
> > > Feel free to comment here or direct :)
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Sam Nova
> > > ------------------------------------------
> > > Chief Technology Officer @ Mobile Scope AG
> > >
> > > Phone: +41 - 61 911 16 72
> > > Fax: +41 - 61 911 16 75
> > > Cell phone: +41 - 79 455 71 14
> > >
> > > sam.nova@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: A mailing list for KVM discussion
> > > > [mailto:KVM-INTEREST@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter Rogers
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 4:35 PM
> > > > To: KVM-INTEREST@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: Bluetooth Java Games
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > Are there are any companies out there looking for Bluetooth
> > > > multiplayer games?
> > > >
> > > > If so can you drop me a line directly.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > > Peter
> > > >
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