Re: Dreamweaver extension for VTL

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Lybarger" <Mark.Lybarger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Velocity Users List" <velocity-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:00 PM
Subject: RE: Dreamweaver extension for VTL


> i'm not aware of any wysisyg tools for vtl, nor for jsp's but i guess i
> haven't really looked.

Well, Dreamweaver for instance can work very well with JSP's. I just have
recent bad experiences with JSP's (up to server crashes in some cases!),
that made me go back to Velocity (which I used for several project right
from the beginning, comming from Webmacro). Actually after switching to
Maverick (http://mav.sourceforge.net) combined with Velocity and Velocity
tools I kind of found what is (for me) the perfect combination of techniques
for developping webapps after searching for more than five years!

> From my limited experience, the wysiwyg tools are great for a project
> design/prototype sort of thing, but after that someone needs to massivly
> clean the code and scriptify(tm) it, be that asp/jsp/vtl, whatever.  far
too
> often that tedious booring task is left up to the developers to handle.
oh
> do i wish the web "designers" could also learn web maintainence skills...

The webdesigner I work with is that productive with his tools that it is
worth having ugly looking code. As a 'typical' back-end programmer I hate
doing HTML/ Javascript/ etc anyway. But... I agree that code that is too
ugly is hard to 'scriptify'.

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Eelco Hillenius [mailto:eelco.hillenius@xxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 2:43 PM
> > To: Velocity Users List
> > Subject: Re: Dreamweaver extension for VTL
> >
> >
> > What I am looking for is a WYSIWYG tool (not necesarilly an
> > IDE) that I can
> > use with Velocity.
> >
> > I use Eclipse with the Velocity plugin as well; great stuff!
> > But, as I am
> > doing a project with a web designer who does webpage stuff in
> > Dreamweaver at
> > least ten times faster than I do it in Eclipse (I am more of a coder
> > anyway), it would be great to be able to have this guy use
> > his fav tooling
> > without constantly switching from one tool to the other.
> >
> > Eelco
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: <SETH.LIPSCHITZ@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: "Velocity Users List" <velocity-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 8:27 PM
> > Subject: Re: Dreamweaver extension for VTL
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Textpad has a good syntax defintion file for Velocity.  If
> > you want a full
> > > IDE for Java, try Eclipse with the Velocity plug-in.
> > >
> > > -Seth
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >                     "Eelco Hillenius"
> > >                     <eelco.hillenius@t       To:
> > <velocity-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >                     opicus.nl>               cc:
> > >                                              Subject:
> > Dreamweaver
> > extension for VTL
> > >                     05/29/2003 02:24
> > >                     PM
> > >                     Please respond to
> > >                     "Velocity Users
> > >                     List"
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Has anyone had any success with using VTL in a WYSIWYG editor like
> > > Dreamweaver? I just took a short look at creating an extension for
> > > Dreamweaver and concluded that, although creating
> > extensions doesn't seem
> > > too difficult, it would be too much re-inventing the wheel
> > for me right
> > > now. And I know there must be tons of people using WYSIWYG editors
> > together
> > > with Velocity ;-)
> > >
> > > So, if anyone could give me a hint I would be very grateful!
> > >
> > > Eelco
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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