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Re: Developing VSS hardware providers: msg#00116

Subject: Re: Developing VSS hardware providers
On Wed, 2005-07-13 at 12:01 -0400, Ming Zhang wrote:
> On Wed, 2005-07-13 at 10:49 -0500, Brian Wolfe wrote:
> > I've been thinking for a while now on how to acomplish this exact idea
> > of a control structure for managing iscsi disks for clean backups.
> > 
> > One could use simple remote commands via ssh if everything were UNIX
> > based. I don't know how windows handles remote calls, so i'm not the one
> > to work on this part. :)
> a generic interface provided by IET will be great. SSH will work on
> linux but windows will need cygwin, will be overkill i feel. a simple
> msg should be ok.
> 
> 
> > 
> > Are there any existing products for ms/unix that would be ideal to use
> > in building something like this?
> cygwin+ssh is ok. but as i said, i feel it is overkill if we just use it
> to send several msgs.

Agreed. I know a couple windows programmers and admins that I can query.
Right now with this new contract I'm not going to be able to do much
other than planning for the next 6 to 8 weeks. After that I can start
working on a web based admin system for IET. I kind of need one to
manage the storage cluster with my xen virtual hosts. :)

> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, 2005-07-13 at 10:13 -0400, Ming Zhang wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2005-07-13 at 17:07 +0300, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Jul 13, 2005 at 08:22:51AM -0400, Ming Zhang wrote:
> > > > > Thanks for the link. We need a windows developer here. :P
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > VSS plugin support also requires some kind of "control daemon" to Linux 
> > > > to be able
> > > > to easily create new lvm snaphots and make them visible in iscsitarget 
> > > > from
> > > > the VSS plugin..
> > > yes, 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I think that kind of lvm + iscsitarget control daemon would be good for
> > > > Linux server snapshots too.. not only for VSS stuff.
> > > yes, ini side assure that system is clean and thus daemon do flush and
> > > snapshot. i knew samba has a sample script, but not generic
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Say you have a storage server running iscsitarget + lvm, and an 
> > > > application server running some iscsi-initiator and using disk space 
> > > > from
> > > > the storage server. 
> > > > 
> > > > Now to successfully create snapshot for backup purposes (of the 
> > > > application server) 
> > > > you need to shutdown/"freeze" the applications for a while, and then 
> > > > tell the 
> > > > storage-server to create the snapshot.. Creating the snapshot in the 
> > > > storage
> > > > server takes only couple of seconds, and after that you can again start 
> > > > the 
> > > > applications and do the backup from the new iscsi LUN (containing the
> > > > snapshot) visible in the application server or in the separate
> > > > backup-server.
> > > > This process needs to be controller from the application server.. or 
> > > > from
> > > > separete backup server.. in any case, it cannot be controller from the
> > > > storage-server (iscsitarget).
> > > > 
> > > > Sounds like we need a daemon for controlling the iscsitarget + lvm,
> > > > and a library/cli-commands/scripts to control the daemon from
> > > > initiator-boxes.. these are needed for VSS support, and for Linux 
> > > > support
> > > > too..
> > > yes.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Is there anything like this in EVMS ? Or in some other project?
> > > not heard of.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > - Pasi
> > > >  
> > > > > Ming
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Wed, 2005-07-13 at 14:29 +0300, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote:
> > > > > > Hi!
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I was searching the web for Windows 2003 VSS hardware provider 
> > > > > > drivers for Linux iscsi
> > > > > > targets, but didn't find any.. but I found this:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/vss/base/developing_vss_hardware_providers.asp
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > There is some documentation about developing VSS hw provider 
> > > > > > drivers for win2k3. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Maybe somebody finds it usefull.. and maybe creates VSS driver for
> > > > > > linux iscsitarget + lvm combo :)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > -- Pasi Kärkkäinen
> > > > > >        
> > > 
> > > 
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