RE: RE: Another post from the same guy about 400 support.

Hit send too soon on the previous emai.  To finish up, the app notes are
online at http://www.maxim-ic.com/appnotes10.cfm/ac_pk/37/ln/en and
http://www.maxim-ic.com/appnotes10.cfm/ac_pk/17/ln/en.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clayton Ware 
> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 6:21 PM
> To: 'Mark Purcell [MAP]'
> Cc: TINI Interest Group
> Subject: RE: [TINI] RE: Another post from the same guy about 400
> support.
> 
> 
> Mark,
> I shipped out a handful of very early prototypes in February. 
>  The part was not shipped as a production component until the 
> end of March 
> (http://maillist.dalsemi.com/maillists/tini/2003-March/024995.
> html).  I was mistaken earlier when I said April.  
> 
> We do have significant resources dedicated to the TINI as can 
> be seen from the number of posts from Dallas Semiconductor engineers.
>   
> The serial driver will be made available in a pre-release as 
> soon as possible.  I have an engineer who will begin work 
> next week.  We had hoped he would be able to start sooner but 
> has been delayed with design of another product.
> 
> It is still possible to use serial port 1 and mux with the 
> 1-Wire as a short term solution.  It would require jumpering 
> the serial 1 tx/rx lines to the RS232 level shifter on serial four.
> 
> You mentioned lack of formal documentation in your previous 
> email.  We have many documents on our web site which detail 
> the DSTINIm400 and DSTINIs400.  The datasheets for both are 
> online at http://www.maxim-ic.com/DSTINIM400 and 
> http://www.maxim-ic.com/DSTINIS400. Many application notes 
> have been published over the last several months including 
> app notes 712, 711, 710, 615, 614, 613, 612, 708, 703, 704, 
> 609, 707, 709, and 706.  These are all documents which relate 
> to the DS80C400 or DSTINIm400.  In addition, we are heavily 
> advertising worldwide and have published an Engineering 
> Review dedicated to Networked Microcontrollers.  They should 
> be in the mail now for people who might be interested.
> The app notes can be found at 
> 
> Clayton
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mark Purcell [MAP] 
> > [mailto:map-hdgEqy5R1AG+FmPSFd0fl9Bc4/FLrbF6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 5:58 AM
> > To: Clayton Ware
> > Cc: TINI Interest Group
> > Subject: Re: [TINI] RE: Another post from the same guy about 400
> > support.
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Clayton,
> > 
> > I really think you should look at this from the developer's 
> > perspective. You
> > sold a TINIs400 development board with two serial ports, 
> > similar to the Exx
> > series, but the second serial port on the TINIs400 does not 
> > require the one
> > wire network to be disabled.  It is quite reasonable for 
> > customers to think
> > this serial port will be supported in a timely fashion, and 
> > that in fact it
> > is a relatively simple job for you to add it (given the 
> serial drivers
> > already exist for the other ports). Contrary to your 
> > assertion that you only
> > started shipping these boards in April, here is a post from 
> > February that
> > indicates both these boards were in use back then:
> > http://lists.dalsemi.com/maillists/tini/2003-February/023977.h
> > tml. This
> > particular problem has been outstanding for the best part of 
> > 5 months, and
> > now you're saying it'll be 'in August' before its supported.
> > 
> > Well, I am a developer and my reaction to this is that you 
> > don't have the
> > resources allocated to support the TINIx400 properly, and 
> > that is almost as
> > bad as saying it's dead. This on top of the fact that at 
> > least two customers
> > have very real development problems due to the lack of 
> > support for this
> > port. Even Bruce at Systronix seems to be biting his tongue 
> > when responding
> > on this issue.
> > 
> > Like it or not this port problem will be used as a barometer 
> > by developers
> > to indicate your *real* level of support. They'll ask 
> > themselves "What if I
> > have a problem with something I could have expected to work? 
> > How long will
> > Dallas take to fix it, and how much time will I lose in my project
> > development as a result?".
> > 
> > You could go a long way to putting this right by adding this 
> > support in a
> > pre-release as soon as possible, if of course you really do 
> > have the support
> > resources allocated to do such things.
> > 
> > Mark.
> > 
> > Mark Purcell, MAP Electronics
> > web: http://www.mapelectronics.co.uk/
> > email: map-hdgEqy5R1AG+FmPSFd0fl9Bc4/FLrbF6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Clayton Ware" <Clayton.Ware-6tN4nzCoH/hBDgjK7y7TUQ@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <map-hdgEqy5R1AG+FmPSFd0fl9Bc4/FLrbF6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Cc: <noda-G/gkmOS9IO7e+W599mIaPQ@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <tini@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 4:57 PM
> > Subject: [TINI] RE: Another post from the same guy about 
> 400 support.
> > 
> > 
> > > Mark,
> > > Dallas is 100% behind the TINIm400 and TINIs400.  We only 
> > started shipping
> > > the evaluation boards in April.  The serial driver is 
> > scheduled to be
> > > released as part of the TINI1.12 update in August.  If we 
> > have it sooner,
> > > then we will make a pre-release available to the list.
> > >
> > > There is plenty of room for both the Systronix 72 pin 
> module and the
> > > DSTINIm400.  I have worked closely with Bruce (Systronix) 
> > on his design.
> > We
> > > wanted to make sure that all existing DS80C390 TINI sockets 
> > had an upgrade
> > > path to the DS80C400 if desired.  The purpose of the new 
> > TINIm400 module
> > is
> > > to expose as much functionality of the DS80C400 as possible 
> > to developers.
> > > We are providing this module as the standard evaluation 
> kit for the
> > DS80C400
> > > for both C and Java development.  We are also going to sell 
> > in volume if
> > > customers desire.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Clayton
> > >
> > > >
> > > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > > Subject: Re: [TINI] please help
> > > > Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 11:39:38 +0100
> > > > From: Mark Purcell [MAP] 
> > > > <map-hdgEqy5R1AG+FmPSFd0fl9Bc4/FLrbF6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Reply-To: Mark Purcell [MAP] 
> > > > <map-hdgEqy5R1AG+FmPSFd0fl9Bc4/FLrbF6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Organization: MAP Electronics
> > > > To: Claro A Noda <noda-G/gkmOS9IO7e+W599mIaPQ@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, 
> > > > <tini@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > References:
> > > > <1899.192.168.32.25.1056501627.squirrel-NgPGqctCJv1+14uXscYCi3AS51h682N1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >
> > > > Hi Claro,
> > > >
> > > > I would be very wary indeed about using the
> > > > TINIm400/TINIs400. The reason is
> > > > the lack of formal documentation, and the level of support
> > > > really seems to
> > > > be lacking. The second serial port on the TINIs400 board  for
> > > > example (AKA
> > > > serial4) have no drivers written for it - this basic problem
> > > > was highlighted
> > > > as long ago as February but this has still not been added
> > > > despite several
> > > > customers complaining and one at least getting very irate,
> > > > justifiably so
> > > > IMO.
> > > >
> > > > As an aside, Systronix were in development of a bussed
> > > > version of their
> > > > TStik.72.nb at one point and Bruce is on record as saying
> > > > that they have
> > > > quite a close relationship with Dallas. If this goes ahead
> > > > there'll be two
> > > > competing 400 systems albeit on different form factors, but
> > > > Systronix will
> > > > have the significant advantage of backwards compatibility
> > > > (hardware and
> > > > software) with the existing  390 Simm72 development systems
> > > > and boards. Room
> > > > in the bed for two??
> > > >
> > > > Until I hear otherwise from Dallas in this list I assume,
> > > > from all I've seen
> > > > so far, that the TINIm400/TINIs400 is either dead or dying,
> > > > and I would seek
> > > > formal confirmation from them that this is not so before 
> > purchasing.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Mark.
> > > >
> > > > Mark Purcell, MAP Electronics
> > > > web: http://www.mapelectronics.co.uk/
> > > > email: map-hdgEqy5R1AG+FmPSFd0fl9Bc4/FLrbF6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Claro A Noda" <noda-G/gkmOS9IO7e+W599mIaPQ@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <tini-6tN4nzCoH/hBDgjK7y7TUQ@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 1:40 AM
> > > > Subject: [TINI] please help
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi everyone.
> > > > Greetings from Havana.
> > > > I just joined the list in a rush.
> > > >
> > > > We are making last minute decisions regarding purchase of a
> > > > Tini system,
> > > > mostly for evaluation purposes. Due to quite a few constrains
> > > > the parts
> > > > will probably ship to Norway...
> > > >
> > > > We will deeply appreciate down to earth comments from those
> > > > with experience
> > > > on the purchasing/shipping arena that can enlighten us.
> > > >
> > > > We need to know how long would it take this parts, once
> > > > bought online, to
> > > > reach Oslo.
> > > >
> > > > In this page, at the ibutton store:
> > > > https://store.ibutton.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/CategoryDisplay?
> > > > cgrfnbr=804&cgmenbr=776&cg=804
> > > >
> > > > it says that they have a lead time of 8-12 weeks,
> > > >
> > > > on the other hand,
> > > >
> > > > I've found the new version of the Tini Board and its upgraded
> > > > socket at the
> > > > Maxim/Dallas's Ecommerce site. Identified as DSTINIM400 & 
> > DSTINIS400
> > > > respectively. Surprisingly in stock.
> > > >
> > > > Hints will be well appreciated too.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance.
> > > >
> > > > Claro.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Claro Noda
> > > > IMRE-Physics Faculty.
> > > > University of Havana.
> > > > Cuba.
> > > >
> > > > p  +537 878 8950 x 445
> > > > f  +1 320 216 9711
> > > >
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