Re: Tynamo - CDC

In my opinion, it's very stable.  However, I won't release a 1.0 version
until it's had some more use in the field.

The TINI and SNAP versions share much of the same code.

If you want to chat about the EJC, let's take this off-list :)  [It's
based on the PersonalJava platform, which is in turn based on JDK 1.3.1.
The TINI is based on JDK 1.1.8.]

Regards,
        -Shawn

On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, jammsw wrote:

> Hello Shawn,
>
> I noticed that the release for the EJC is 0.14, is it still in beta or
> already stable? How does it relate to the TINI and SNAP versions?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jose,
> Best regards.
>
>
>  >
>  >
>  >Hello.  I was wondering if you'd like to try out Tynamo for the EJC.  I've
>  >released a version for CDC that runs on this platform.  The address is
>  >http://tynamo.qindesign.com/
>  >
>  >
>  >I also find the EJC a "refreshing" difference in the embedded platforms.
>  >It's pretty complete.
>  >
>  >
>  >Thanks,
>  >        -Shawn
>  >
>  >
>  >On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, jammsw wrote:
>  >
>  >
>  >>
>  >> Hello all,
>  >>
>  >> I have to agree with Bruce. Dallas has really done a good job squeezing
>  >> all that functionality into what essentially is an enhanced 8051. They
>  >> are also doing a good job with support by keeping things so open.
>  >>
>  >> The TINI platform has some very interesting possibilities for commercial
>  >> applications and some strong points, starting with a very attractive
>  >> price and a wide user community willing to help. However it isn't without
>  >> limitations in terms of performance, functionality, or robustness. As
>  >> Bruce pointed out, TINI is very good for certain applications, but that
>  >> doesn't necessarily mean it is good for _every_ application.
>  >>
>  >> You have to be aware issues could 'pop up' once in a while and you cannot
>  >> expect overnight bug fixes and you should even anticipate that certain
>  >> legitimate requests cannot be implemented.
>  >>
>  >> If you are working on a serious project, you should have done an in-depth
>  >> analysis of the pros and cons of TINI, and evaluated its risks. If you
>  >> need performance, or more functionality, or anything else that TINI does
>  >> not provide, then you should be looking elsewhere; there are several other
>  >> embedded Java platforms out there.
>  >>
>  >> I have been using TINI myself for some projects, but for others I found
>  >> it to be too restrictive or limited and started looking for alternatives.
>  >> I have evaluated JStamp and SNAP, among others, and finally ended up
>  >> selecting Snijder Micro System's EJC. This platform is not restricted in
>  >> terms of JVM or memory and has really good performance and a lot of
>  >> functionality built-in. Of course it is quite a bit more expensive too
>  >> -- but you get what you pay for!
>  >>
>  >> Jose,
>  >> Best regards.
>  >>
>  >> [...]
>  >>
>  >>  >>Don't you understand till now ?
>  >>  >>TINI is really small product, which shouldn't be used in commercial or
>  >>  >>realtime or enough big projects. Where you can use TINI -- is just
>  >>  >>some lab works with students.
>  >>  >
>  >>  >This is simply not true, IMHO. We have OEM customers using TINI now in
>  >>  >commercial applications.
>  >>  >
>  >>  >There is also a lot of interest in TStik for volume OEM applications, 
> and
>  >>  >this is why we have addressed some of the limits of TINI390 hardware,
> with
>  >>  >the new TINI400 TStik hardware. Netboot and other features of TStik will
>  >>  >help make it more usable and maintainable when installed in remote
>  >>  >locations. So we think that TINI, especially TINI400/TStik will be a
> great
>  >>  >product with a lot of commercial applications.
>  >>  >
>  >>  >>TINI API implementation have enough problems. And, unfortunately guys
>  >>  >>from @dalsemi.com don't do anything in direction to get old errors
>  >>  >
>  >>  >If you compare Dallas open attitude about tech support and bugs to other
>  >>  >companies I think you will find that Dallas is far better. For
> example, it
>  >>  >is the policy of Keil to *not* publish any bug or errata lists!! We
> wasted
>  >>  >many days on a project only to discover it was well-known (to Keil)
> bugs in
>  >>  >their math library and linker (which they admitted when we presented
>  >>  >evidence). Keil however refused to provide a list of all known bugs. We
>  >>  >were incredulous. And we paid $1500 for the Keil 8051 product! Dallas on
>  >>  >the other hand is very open about bug reports and fixing or working
> around
>  >>  >them, and the TINI firmware is FREE, and all updates are FREE.
>  >>  >
>  >>  >>out. What they do -- answering on very simple questions here (like
>  >>  >>problem with -classpath, "dummy"-questions and so on). They don't
>  >>  >>collect all tips-and-tricks together on their web-page.
>  >>  >>A lot of people asking here -- even havn't read documentation. Its
>  >>  >>really annoing.
>  >>  >
>  >>  >This is true enough - it seems to be a rule that 20% of the people
> use 80%
>  >>  >of the support. On the other hand there have been some very good
>  >>  >discussions of deeper issues. Lists are like newspapers - you get the
> whole
>  >>  >issue and you're free to read what you want to and ignore the rest.
>  >>  >
>  >>  >>In Internet is "12 Rules for making code better" -- @dalsemi.com,
>  >>  >>please, read it.
>  >>  >
>  >>  >I'll look at this, but in Google I found at least three completely
>  >>  >different sites with different rules from each other... which were you
>  >>  >thinking of?
>  >>  >
>  >>  >>So, Geir, if you need something more in your products (stability,
>  >>  >>realtime) -- you should choose other Java platform...
>  >>  >
>  >>  >TINI is not intended for realtime, and is never advertised for that use.
>  >>  >
>  >>  >TINI is excellent at adding ethernet connectivity to some machine or
>  >>  >process which is not high speed, and for adding ethernet connectivity to
>  >>  >1Wire devices.
>  >>  >
>  >>  >In the TINI price range there is no other solution as stable, mature,
>  >>  >full-featured, and standardized.
>  >>  >
>  >>  >>Well, and, this is only my opinion (at the moment I'm show-stopper as
>  >>  >>you, waiting of new 1.12 as well, and I use other Java-platform for
>  >>  >>realtime applications).
>  >>  >
>  >>  >You *should* use other platforms for realtime... see above. This is not
>  >>  >TINI's stated purpose.
>  >>  >
>  >>  >>Best regards,
>  >>  >>Alex Khilov
>  >>  >>http://www.geocities.com/alex_khilov
>  >>  >
>  >>  >BTW, Opera 7.1 reports that your website tries to set an illegal cookie
>  >>  >related to a hit counter? The server's hostname and the domain attribute
>  >>  >for the cookie do not match.
>  >>  >
>  >>  >Bruce
>  >>  >
>  >>  >------- WWW.SYSTRONIX.COM ----------
>  >>  >   Real embedded Java and much more
>  >>  >      High speed 8051 systems
>  >>  >+1-801-534-1017  Salt Lake City, USA
>  >>  >
>  >>
>  >
>  >
>  >--
>  >Neil laughed when the boomerang he threw returned to him, baffling his dog
>  >who was trying to fetch it.
>  >
>

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who was trying to fetch it.

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