Andy,
I have also been trying to get angstrom to boot from
sd or cf. Good luck with that. I know what you mean
about haveing so little space. My angstrom install
locked up and I had to reflash due to space
limitations
then I tried to install apps to CF like I used to with
my zaurus using ipkg and ipkg-link but ipkg was
forcibly removed by one of the distro maintainers and
they failed to mention it to anyone. Then I made the
biggest mistake, I asked a question. One guy helped me
out by giving me a link to an ipkg-link package which
he compiled and we discussed add the it to the wiki,
mistake #2. Apparently we were somehow supposed to
know that ipkg-link had been removed on purpose and
that we had committed a terrible transgression. There
was a vague post about root on sd something about
kernel exec and what not but as far as I know altboot
is not available for the hx4700 and is it doesn't have
lilo or grub I don't know how to pass boot time
arguments to it . I posted a question concerning LAB
for the hx4700 but it fell on deaf ears. Apparently I
have incurred the wrath of the developers. There
should be a standard disclaimer on the angstrom
website "If you are at all ignorant about the intimate
inner workings of the linux kernel then don't bother".
It seems to that the emphasis in the angstrom project
lies on the 'angst'.
--- Andy Halsall <andyhalsall-FIrUYBJFfi4AvxtiuMwx3w@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hello folks...
>
> Some observations....
>
> The HX4700 is absolutely fantastic running under
> Linux (my previous
> Ipaq, a h2200 was good but the wifi + VGA screen
> blow it out of the water)
>
> So far I have been mostly playing to see what works
> and what doesn't
> rather than preparing to use the PDA as a serious
> hand-held (the h2200,
> running familiar is still my primary diary and ebook
> reader...).
>
> So I have tried Familiar with both GPE and Opie,
> Familiar works fine in
> all respects (or at least as well as it does on the
> h2200) but is
> significantly limited once you have seen the
> alternatives (Gentoo,
> Debian and to a lesser degree Angstrom).
>
> As I mentioned hardware support appears 100% (the
> wifi suspend issue
> being easily worked around), the only problem I have
> had so far is the
> apparent inability to boot Familiar from the CF slot
> (using the SDG boot
> loader not Haret, there's no Wince on my PDA!) I am
> assuming this is a
> CF driver issue in the Kernels I have been using and
> look forward to it
> being resolved. Its a nightmare having a nice
> distribution on the PDA
> but so little space for applications.
>
> Angstrom is quite a lot further on than Familiar is
> with regard to what
> is available packaged. A casual glance also
> suggests that Angstrom is
> using more up to date sources, but as with Familiar
> I am having issues
> booting from the CF (Works fine with a Gentoo
> zImage, but I cant seem to
> get a Gentoo kernel that matches the Angstrom
> version...)
>
> Debian is nice, although a little involved (I built
> a barebones FS image
> on my desktop and then dumped it onto the PDA, then
> I spent a few hours
> working out where to go next...) I have only gotten
> as far as a basic
> system + X11 + XDM. I have little or no experience
> in Debian-Arm and
> even less idea about how to fix it if it doesn't
> work as expected...
>
> Finally Gentoo. I spent a bit of time looking at
> the various stages
> available on ftp.gentoo.ru dropping different
> combinations of kernels
> and FS images onto the machine until things worked
> and frankly he
> potential is staggering. The ability to have
> everything I usually use
> on my desktop in my pocket and just a single ssh
> connection away is
> fantastic. For some reason software installation
> generally does just
> work (as opposed to familiar where there seem to be
> untold dependency
> issues if you stray from the mainstream. The only
> problems I have
> really had are;
> 1) I haven't used Gentoo before, I only have 3Gb of
> storage (2Gb CF and
> 1GB SD) so some of the stages currently out there +
> some core
> applications mean I run out quickly.
> 2) I haven't really found a nicely working UI I'm
> not so keen on fvwm (I
> cant seem to get E17 + X11 to work - probably
> because I tried a while
> ago with a kernel that appeared to lack ts related
> modules.
> 3) Much of the support info is in Russian!
>
> What I would like to do, (and I intend to do) is to
> collect the various
> distributions documentation together, clean it up
> and put it on a site
> all together. The intention would also be to link
> to known good FS
> images + zImages + Bootloaders + Scripts + configs
> (Unstable angstrom
> feeds for example) etc... so that it is easy to just
> flash and install
> away. One thing that would be nice would be if the
> gentoo ftp server
> had a collection of archives that included *all* the
> working elements in
> a single archive (rather than scouring the server to
> match up various
> elements and hope you have it right)
>
> Oh and finally, kmeaw, your new bootloader works
> nicely here (on a 128M
> hx4700) and is a godsend!
>
> Oh and if there are any resources I am missing
> (other than the
> angstrom-distribution site, handhelds.org and the
> gentoo.ru resources
> posted in this list previously, please let me know!
> Also does anyone
> know what the terms are for distributing the wifi
> firmware?
>
> Thanks folks, I'll keep you posted.
>
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>
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> Hello folks...
>
> Some observations....
>
> The HX4700 is absolutely fantastic running under
> Linux (my previous
> Ipaq, a h2200 was good but the wifi + VGA screen
> blow it out of the water)
>
> So far I have been mostly playing to see what works
> and what doesn't
> rather than preparing to use the PDA as a serious
> hand-held (the h2200,
> running familiar is still my primary diary and ebook
> reader...).
>
> So I have tried Familiar with both GPE and Opie,
> Familiar works fine in
> all respects (or at least as well as it does on the
> h2200) but is
> significantly limited once you have seen the
> alternatives (Gentoo,
> Debian and to a lesser degree Angstrom).
>
> As I mentioned hardware support appears 100% (the
> wifi suspend issue
> being easily worked around), the only problem I have
> had so far is the
> apparent inability to boot Familiar from the CF slot
> (using the SDG boot
> loader not Haret, there's no Wince on my PDA!) I am
> assuming this is a
> CF driver issue in the Kernels I have been using and
> look forward to it
> being resolved. Its a nightmare having a nice
> distribution on the PDA
> but so little space for applications.
>
> Angstrom is quite a lot further on than Familiar is
> with regard to what
> is available packaged. A casual glance also
> suggests that Angstrom is
> using more up to date sources, but as with Familiar
> I am having issues
> booting from the CF (Works fine with a Gentoo
> zImage, but I cant seem to
> get a Gentoo kernel that matches the Angstrom
> version...)
>
> Debian is nice, although a little involved (I built
> a barebones FS image
> on my desktop and then dumped it onto the PDA, then
> I spent a few hours
> working out where to go next...) I have only gotten
> as far as a basic
> system + X11 + XDM. I have little or no experience
> in Debian-Arm and
> even less idea about how to fix it if it doesn't
> work as expected...
>
> Finally Gentoo. I spent a bit of time looking at
> the various stages
> available on ftp.gentoo.ru dropping different
> combinations of kernels
> and FS images onto the machine until things worked
> and frankly he
> potential is staggering. The ability to have
> everything I usually use
> on my desktop in my pocket and just a single ssh
> connection away is
> fantastic. For some reason software installation
> generally does just
> work (as opposed to familiar where there seem to be
> untold dependency
> issues if you stray from the mainstream. The only
> problems I have
> really had are;
> 1) I haven't used Gentoo before, I only have 3Gb of
> storage (2Gb CF and
> 1GB SD) so some of the stages currently out there +
> some core
> applications mean I run out quickly.
> 2) I haven't really found a nicely working UI I'm
> not so keen on fvwm (I
> cant seem to get E17 + X11 to work - probably
> because I tried a while
> ago with a kernel that appeared to lack ts related
> modules.
> 3) Much of the support info is in Russian!
>
> What I would like to do, (and I intend to do) is to
> collect the various
> distributions documentation together, clean it up
> and put it on a site
> all together. The intention would also be to link
> to known good FS
> images + zImages + Bootloaders + Scripts + configs
> (Unstable angstrom
> feeds for example) etc... so that it is easy to just
> flash and install
> away. One thing that would be nice would be if the
> gentoo ftp server
> had a collection of archives that included *all* the
> working elements in
> a single archive (rather than scouring the server to
> match up various
> elements and hope you have it right)
>
> Oh and finally, kmeaw, your new bootloader works
> nicely here (on a 128M
> hx4700) and is a godsend!
>
> Oh and if there are any resources I am missing
> (other than the
> angstrom-distribution site, handhelds.org and the
> gentoo.ru resources
> posted in this list previously, please let me know!
> Also does anyone
> know what the terms are for distributing the wifi
> firmware?
>
> Thanks folks, I'll keep you posted.
>
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