Subject: Re: window positioning - msg#00102

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Re: window positioning

On Wed, 2005-01-12 at 18:09 -0500, Nick Peaden wrote: > I think for using multiple windows, a window posistioning scheme(s) > could be developed to smartly layout where the conversational windows > were to go. As far as gain, I see not so much in the light that Windows > (correct me if I'm wrong) does not allow the user an easy way to put > windows side by side such as many X11 WMs and this could be helpful to > those few Windows users. There would of course have to be preferences > for theses and as the number of windows increases, the seeming > effectiveness (and usefulness) would decrease. > > --Nick I think your response is a good argument for why this shouldn't be included. One, there are "few" Windows users, relatively speaking, and two, the preference would be complex and, in many cases, redundant (e.g., my wm takes care of that just fine, thankyouverymuch). I believe this is entirely the job of the window manager, or, in the absence of a good one, it is the job of something at a lower level than Gaim, e.g., GTK+. Including windowing code in Gaim introduces the possibility of behavior contrary to expectation. Users will want to have all sorts of options regarding how to place their windows because everyone wants them placed differently. -- Jesse Farmer <farmerje@xxxxxxxxxxxx> University of Chicago ------------------------------------------------------- The SF.Net email is sponsored by: Beat the post-holiday blues Get a FREE limited edition SourceForge.net t-shirt from ThinkGeek. It's fun and FREE -- well, almost....http://www.thinkgeek.com/sfshirt

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Re: window positioning

On Wed, 2005-01-12 at 18:09 -0500, Nick Peaden wrote: > I think for using multiple windows, a window posistioning scheme(s) > could be developed to smartly layout where the conversational windows > were to go. As far as gain, I see not so much in the light that Windows > (correct me if I'm wrong) does not allow the user an easy way to put > windows side by side such as many X11 WMs and this could be helpful to > those few Windows users. There would of course have to be preferences > for theses and as the number of windows increases, the seeming > effectiveness (and usefulness) would decrease. > > --Nick Personally I always thought this would be best suited in a plugin. Since unless your windows sucks, you really don't need it under X. -- Gary Kramlich <grim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

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Re: window positioning

On 01/12/05 12:56, Luke Schierer wrote: > Alot of people would like gaim to remember window positioning better. > some of them want this because a 0,0 position is under their windows > start bar. some of them want this because 0,0 isn't viewable with wierd > multi-monitor setups where the two monitors aren't side by side. some > want it just for itself. i'm not sure how this is a problem - with most sane X11 window managers, if the app doesn't specify a window position, the WM will place the window according to what (should be) a sane algorithm that avoids sticking it behind dock/always-on-top/etc. windows. if that isn't the case, that's hardly an issue with gaim. on windows, i'm not so sure, but it seems to be a similar case, since most apps just end up getting placed wherever, with the exception of the odd app here and there that seems to implement some form of position memory. the only reason to remember convo window placement is for convenience or familiarity, which, as luke notes, makes a bit of sense (and is doable) for users that only use a single tabbed window, but with multiple windows, it seems to me that it's way too complicated, for minimal gain. -brian ------------------------------------------------------- The SF.Net email is sponsored by: Beat the post-holiday blues Get a FREE limited edition SourceForge.net t-shirt from ThinkGeek. It's fun and FREE -- well, almost....http://www.thinkgeek.com/sfshirt

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Re: window positioning

On Wed, 2005-01-12 at 18:09 -0500, Nick Peaden wrote: > I think for using multiple windows, a window posistioning scheme(s) > could be developed to smartly layout where the conversational windows > were to go. As far as gain, I see not so much in the light that Windows > (correct me if I'm wrong) does not allow the user an easy way to put > windows side by side such as many X11 WMs and this could be helpful to > those few Windows users. There would of course have to be preferences > for theses and as the number of windows increases, the seeming > effectiveness (and usefulness) would decrease. > > --Nick I think your response is a good argument for why this shouldn't be included. One, there are "few" Windows users, relatively speaking, and two, the preference would be complex and, in many cases, redundant (e.g., my wm takes care of that just fine, thankyouverymuch). I believe this is entirely the job of the window manager, or, in the absence of a good one, it is the job of something at a lower level than Gaim, e.g., GTK+. Including windowing code in Gaim introduces the possibility of behavior contrary to expectation. Users will want to have all sorts of options regarding how to place their windows because everyone wants them placed differently. -- Jesse Farmer <farmerje@xxxxxxxxxxxx> University of Chicago ------------------------------------------------------- The SF.Net email is sponsored by: Beat the post-holiday blues Get a FREE limited edition SourceForge.net t-shirt from ThinkGeek. It's fun and FREE -- well, almost....http://www.thinkgeek.com/sfshirt