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At 16:22 27.01.2003 +0000, Stephen C. Tweedie wrote:
Hi,

On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 14:41, Stefan (metze) Metzmacher wrote:

> I would like linux to handle default quota limits like NTFS 5 do it.
>
> So if a new user is added to the system and start to own disk space on a
> filesystem he
> should get the default quotas for the specified FS as his own quotas.

That's a user-space problem. A new user typically won't have a writable
area within /home until the sysadmin has created the new home directory,
so it's really up to the sysadmin to make sure that the quota for the
home filesystem has been set at the same time.

what is with a filesystem in witch the user has write access because of group memberships.

or/and the user's/group's are stored in LDAP:
then user are added directly to the LDAP diretory and they maybe available on a large amount of servers and it's a pain to manage the quotas for each filesystem on each server.

also it's hard to handle changed group memberships...

I think there's a good reason that NTFS 5 support default quota limits.
And it would be cool if linux would support them too.
it's not hard to implement and it would make thinks much easier to handle in large environments!


> I have searched in google to find another unix witch allready implements
> this feature,
> but I didn't find any.

The kernel doesn't need it --- just do it in the user-space user config
tool

There're many things, witch are not inevitable needed in the kernel,
but they all make the life easier.

Would it really hurt that much if the kernel would support it?



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Re: default quota limits in linux (via quotactl())

Hi, On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 14:41, Stefan (metze) Metzmacher wrote: > I would like linux to handle default quota limits like NTFS 5 do it. > > So if a new user is added to the system and start to own disk space on a > filesystem he > should get the default quotas for the specified FS as his own quotas. That's a user-space problem. A new user typically won't have a writable area within /home until the sysadmin has created the new home directory, so it's really up to the sysadmin to make sure that the quota for the home filesystem has been set at the same time. > I have searched in google to find another unix witch allready implements > this feature, > but I didn't find any. The kernel doesn't need it --- just do it in the user-space user config tool. Cheers, Stephen

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Re: default quota limits in linux (via quotactl())

At 16:22 27.01.2003 +0000, Stephen C. Tweedie wrote: That's a user-space problem. A new user typically won't have a writable area within /home until the sysadmin has created the new home directory, so it's really up to the sysadmin to make sure that the quota for the home filesystem has been set at the same time. What is if we have 500.000 users and 300.000 group in LDAP and set up a new server, witch is intended to store data from ~1000 users 500 group should the admin really run setquota ... for each of the 500.000 users and 300.000 group that's are 800.000 quota entries in the filesystem and only 1500 are really used ans this entries cost disk space too, so if we have two default entries (one for users and one for groups) then only every user witch really uses this filesystem would get a quota entry when he starts to own diskspace on this filesystem and we would have only 1502 quota entries stored on disk! metze ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stefan "metze" Metzmacher <metze@xxxxxxxxxxx> - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-fsdevel" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html

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Re: default quota limits in linux (via quotactl())

Hi, On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 14:41, Stefan (metze) Metzmacher wrote: > I would like linux to handle default quota limits like NTFS 5 do it. > > So if a new user is added to the system and start to own disk space on a > filesystem he > should get the default quotas for the specified FS as his own quotas. That's a user-space problem. A new user typically won't have a writable area within /home until the sysadmin has created the new home directory, so it's really up to the sysadmin to make sure that the quota for the home filesystem has been set at the same time. > I have searched in google to find another unix witch allready implements > this feature, > but I didn't find any. The kernel doesn't need it --- just do it in the user-space user config tool. Cheers, Stephen

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Re: default quota limits in linux (via quotactl())

At 16:22 27.01.2003 +0000, Stephen C. Tweedie wrote: That's a user-space problem. A new user typically won't have a writable area within /home until the sysadmin has created the new home directory, so it's really up to the sysadmin to make sure that the quota for the home filesystem has been set at the same time. What is if we have 500.000 users and 300.000 group in LDAP and set up a new server, witch is intended to store data from ~1000 users 500 group should the admin really run setquota ... for each of the 500.000 users and 300.000 group that's are 800.000 quota entries in the filesystem and only 1500 are really used ans this entries cost disk space too, so if we have two default entries (one for users and one for groups) then only every user witch really uses this filesystem would get a quota entry when he starts to own diskspace on this filesystem and we would have only 1502 quota entries stored on disk! metze ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stefan "metze" Metzmacher <metze@xxxxxxxxxxx> - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-fsdevel" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
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