Re: Re: Jan doesn't want Peter to know (was: Peter wants to know (was: Where did Jan get z/SIE block documentation?))

pa3efu wrote:

>  I am not being evasive, I just happened to have decided not to give
> you
> anymore information then that I see fit.

To what end?


> I am sure that if ibm considered the z/sie block (aka state
> desciptor) confidential
> information, they would investigate as to where it came from.

OK, lets approach this differently -- what is your opinion as to why IBM
seemingly refuses to
license its software stack on Hercules?  (I know you believe there are
confidential instances of this happening,
so if you wish you can substitute "generally" for "seemingly")   [and
please, no assertions we've bullied
them into it -- it doesn't ring well with your other assertions]

> This
> has not happened
> simply because the information is not confidential (unless someone
> has made a mistake
> in publishing this).

It could be published without restrictions, I've said so much as that,
but I haven't see it, and while you readily throw manual numbers out
claiming z/SIE is documented, you don't provide in those (as far as I
can tell) a source which completes such documentation. z/SIE block is
one seemingly missing element from the sources you've previously
identified.

> All IBM would need to do is drop me an email requesting the
> information,
> this has not happened yet, probably be cause they know that the
> z/sie block
> info is publically available.

Has IBM management ever written you about any of their proprietary
concerns?  If not, does
that suggest to you that they don't have any?

> I would estimate that they find this entire discussion a bit of a
> joke. (as do I)

Perhaps they can't control
their laughter long enough to be able to offer a license.


> Just expain the footnote (discaimer) on the fsi home page regarding
> z/arch support.

How about a trade of info?  You point to an unrestricted source for the
z/SIE block documentation and I'll answer your question above. (I think
you are referring to "licensing terms may apply" as the footnote in
question, correct?)


> I believe that there is also some confusion under your customers
> regarding
> the z/arch support that you claim to offer.

What confusion is that?   Ask Volker to order an update next week after
GA, he'll get his copy.

>
> We seem to go round in circles here

Well, you seem to be toying with me, and either believe z/SIE is well
documented in documents that are not incumbered by any IP restrictions,
or you
are being evasive.  I can't tell which, and I doubt anyone else can
either.

> pdw> And just so we are all level set, could you perhaps define what
> you mean
> pdw> by "openly available information"? It may be that we have a
> simple
> pdw> misunderstanding of what documents and sources
> constitute "publically
> pdw> available".
>
> I am not a lawyer, how do you qualify general ibm documentation?

One doesn't need to be a lawyer to agree to reasonable definitions.
Lets perhaps use this one -- If they are not restricted materials in
that they are not originally provided under some license which
predicates their use (other than the usual copyright) then we'll call
that a general ibm documentation.   Another practical way perhaps to
square this is if one can order and receive the document through IBM's
online ordering arm at IBMlink without having to sign any restricted
materials license.   What do you think of either of these?  I favor the
2nd one.

> However if you feel that confidential information has been leaked
> from fsi to
> the hercules developers, then I am quite happy to investigate this
> for you.

Thanks for the offer, but I do not believe that to be the case.



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