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> 3) Do they REALLY believe that it was impossible for that Amdahl
> employee do get offical permission to run said program from powers
> that be at Amdahl with the power to grant said permission? If so,
> how would they know that?

It depends what 'program' we're talking about - Amdahl had several.

However - from one comment made last year - I believe we're talking
about 'Merlin'.

Merlin was a significant asset, despite Amdahl's legendary failure to
spot the BCR 15,0 problem. At one time Amdahl was negotiating an
exchange with IBM - the rights to Merlin in exchange for some of the
ESAME stuff. Once the decision was made (by Fujitsu, following a now
infamous meeting with Alan Bell) to abandon 64-bit development, these
negotiations turned into straight cash-for-rights.

I have heard several views on the outcome of these discussions - they
concur, but are not conclusive. What I consider the most likely
scenario is that Merlin was built under and was subject to (at least
parts of) TIDA, but also that by the time certain testing was done
the rights to the package actually belonged to IBM.

So - did Amdahl have the right to permit Merlin to be used to
validate non-IBM and non-Amdahl products? Almost certainly not. In
the first place TIDA would preclude it, and in the second it may not
even have been theirs to dispose of.

I can say with absolute certainty that anyone caught using Merlin for
an unauthorized purpose would not be allowed to return to their desk.

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> I think we have just been made privy to what was supposed to have > been a private e-mail message from Petey Ward and Philly Payne. I think not. I doubt you would understand most of our private traffic. I was seriously considering a reply - knowing that Peter has resigned from the group and therefore is neither reading nor in a position to post, and then I came across the following: > 9) Do they REALLY think that bricks should be made illegal because > they could be used to shatter Church windows? Would they be > happier if synagogue or mosque windows were shattered? Which kind of made replying pointless.

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Peter D. Ward wrote: > Jeff, it appears I'm still getting advocacy mail when in fact I've > removed my name from the list via (stupid)Yahoo's Mygroup > settings. I've gotten other complaints about this. The best suggestion I can make is to go to Yahoo!'s help system, follow the link to "How do I unsubscribe?", then click on the No button. You'll be taken to a form that allows you to send mail to Yahoo! technical support. Ask them why you're still getting mail eeven though you're not subscribed.

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--- In hercules-advocacy-F5Bj5G+ccuY@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "pa3efu" <jj@xxxx> wrote: > I am aware of several cases where there is a written agreement on > the use of licenced software on hercules. I think this represents the past rather than the future. There certainly was one individual with a valid license, but he's been quiet for a while. The AD/CD is not available under Hercules (or UMX, for that matter) as it quite clearly states on IBM's web page. I also recently heard of: "IBM has taken a business decision not to license its commercial software on this platform."

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Mr. Ward, Yes, it was intentionally disrespectful, but only mildly so, you must admit. For character assault, however, you can't top accusing us of being thieves, etc., especially when it isn't so. FUD means "Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt." Making up a nickname has nothing whatsoever to do with FUD, and it wasn't even a particularly insulting nickname. I chose it merely for its juvenile ring. Actually, I should and hereby do apologize for that, for I do respect you, at least when you let your enthusiasm show. Still, why you think you or your company has anything whatsoever to fear from a hobbyist open source project I can't imagine. When you're not actively trying to tear Hercules and the small community which has formed around it apart, I do enjoy your posts and we have had some pretty pleasant exchanges in the past. So, then, please accept my apology for the nickname; I genuinely do prefer logic to rhetorical tricks. Regards, Bomber On Sat, 05 Oct 2002 13:46:32 -0400, you wrote: > > >"Jeffrey R. Broido" wrote: > >> I just received the following from Petey: > >First you accuse *me* of FUD, and then you permute my name as a means of >interjecting some non-factual irrelevant character assault into the dialog. >Shame on you. Don't you see that you are doing the very thing you claim to >abhor? > >Feel free to post this to the group as well. (I won't hold my breath) > >Peter > _____________________________________ Jeffrey R. Broido, Morristown, NJ USA "No Statements Flagged in this Assembly"

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