Subject: Re: False-positive validation errors - msg#00026

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Lucas Gonze wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 2:44 AM, Lennart Borgman (gmail)
> <lennart.borgman@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:lennart.borgman%40gmail.com>> wrote:
> > I think everyone is aware of that, but no one has had time to fix this.
> > Or, rather, that it handles your transitional files at all is a fix.
>
> That is one way to fix it. But that doesn't address the larger issue
> that failing silently when there is no schema is a bug. I have spent
> a lot of time figuring out that the problem in my HTML is actually in
> the validator. I then found a place to report the error to XHTML-mode
> owners. They told me it was a problem in nxml-mode. I reported the
> problem on the nxml-mode wiki. No answer there. I waited a couple
> weeks to be sure that was not a usable way to reach the maintainers of
> nxml-mode.

Thank you for your patience and endurance.

I have put a note at the top of the nxml-mode page on Emacs Wiki to
avoid such situations in the future.

I think the lesson you have learned this hard way is worth attention. It
is quite hard to avoid this confusion with software maintained the way
Emacs libraries are. Lack of time and understanding of the complexities
that can arise are two difficulties (but I am sure there are more).

Perhaps you want to give some suggestions to the Emacs Wiki maintainers?

Then I looked for another potential home for maintainers,
> found this group and reported the error. All that work was caused by
> the error happening silently rather than being explicit.
>
> If nxml-mode doesn't have a schema to validate a file, it should
> disable validation and report the lack of a schema to the user.

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Hi Lucas It is very nice to see that you actually wrote this .rnc file! I think the best way to use it would be to add it to Emacs itself since nxml-mode will be a part of Emacs 23. Do you want that? ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emacs-nxml-mode/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emacs-nxml-mode/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:emacs-nxml-mode-digest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx mailto:emacs-nxml-mode-fullfeatured@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: emacs-nxml-mode-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

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On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Lennart Borgman (gmail) <lennart.borgman@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I have put a note at the top of the nxml-mode page on Emacs Wiki to > avoid such situations in the future. That's a good idea. Easy and effective. -L ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emacs-nxml-mode/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emacs-nxml-mode/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:emacs-nxml-mode-digest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx mailto:emacs-nxml-mode-fullfeatured@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: emacs-nxml-mode-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

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On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 2:44 AM, Lennart Borgman (gmail) <lennart.borgman@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I think everyone is aware of that, but no one has had time to fix this. > Or, rather, that it handles your transitional files at all is a fix. That is one way to fix it. But that doesn't address the larger issue that failing silently when there is no schema is a bug. I have spent a lot of time figuring out that the problem in my HTML is actually in the validator. I then found a place to report the error to XHTML-mode owners. They told me it was a problem in nxml-mode. I reported the problem on the nxml-mode wiki. No answer there. I waited a couple weeks to be sure that was not a usable way to reach the maintainers of nxml-mode. Then I looked for another potential home for maintainers, found this group and reported the error. All that work was caused by the error happening silently rather than being explicit. If nxml-mode doesn't have a schema to validate a file, it should disable validation and report the lack of a schema to the user. ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emacs-nxml-mode/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emacs-nxml-mode/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:emacs-nxml-mode-digest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx mailto:emacs-nxml-mode-fullfeatured@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: emacs-nxml-mode-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

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