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Subject: Re: New and investigating - msg#00330List: db.postgresql.noviceI think i get the picture, and will have to give up on getting the material i was looking for. Now, for the record, i wasn't expecting to find the same kind of material that can be found for Oracle et al. But as there is a PostgreSQL Inc, I thought there would be "something" (further than the advocacy page). I thought (and still do) that it should be beefed up. There must be so much more. (That Inc. surely looks for benefits, but i will supose they work more with consulting than sales ?) The path you draw, Tom, then efectively seems to be the only way in this case. I hope i will eventually be able to go that way. Thanks for providing the "context", it's as always the most useful piece of information. Thanks again everybody for their answers. I still welcome all opinions, testimonies, etc. Alain ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Lane" <tgl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "Alain Gougeon" <agougeon@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: <pgsql-novice@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [NOVICE] New and investigating > "Alain Gougeon" <agougeon@xxxxxxxxxxxx> writes: > > Where do i obtain information on PostgreSQL that would allow me to have an > > acceptable level of trust in it??? > > I don't think you're going to find what you're looking for. > Companies are not normally in the habit of stepping forward and offering > unsolicited testimonials for stuff that they use (especially not free > software). It takes a good deal of cajoling to get someone to offer a > reference, and right now there is no one with the > time/interest/resources to do that for Postgres. Unless possibly > PostgreSQL Inc, and you say you already looked there. > > Great Bridge used to be in the business of collecting such references, > and they had a number of good ones, but I think all that information > vanished when they shut down. Red Hat was doing so as well, but they > are currently maintaining a low profile w.r.t. RHDB, so I don't think > anything is going to be available there either. > > You could try SRA, too, but most likely anything they'd have would be > in Japanese ... > > The bottom line is that one of the reasons why there's a price > difference between Oracle and Postgres is that Oracle has a marketing > department that goes out and collects the sort of testimonials you're > looking for. Postgres doesn't. > > So, if you aren't going to touch Postgres without an Oracle-like stack > of marketing material, we might as well not waste each other's time: > go buy Oracle. If you want to consider using Postgres, my > recommendation would be to build up the confidence you want for > yourself. Start small, with some noncritical projects, and see how > Postgres does with them. Scale up from there. > > regards, tom lane > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? > > http://archives.postgresql.org ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- TIP 5: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql.org/users-lounge/docs/faq.html Thread at a glance:
Previous Message by Date: click to view message previewRe: New and investigating"Alain Gougeon" <agougeon@xxxxxxxxxxxx> writes: > Where do i obtain information on PostgreSQL that would allow me to have an > acceptable level of trust in it??? I don't think you're going to find what you're looking for. Companies are not normally in the habit of stepping forward and offering unsolicited testimonials for stuff that they use (especially not free software). It takes a good deal of cajoling to get someone to offer a reference, and right now there is no one with the time/interest/resources to do that for Postgres. Unless possibly PostgreSQL Inc, and you say you already looked there. Great Bridge used to be in the business of collecting such references, and they had a number of good ones, but I think all that information vanished when they shut down. Red Hat was doing so as well, but they are currently maintaining a low profile w.r.t. RHDB, so I don't think anything is going to be available there either. You could try SRA, too, but most likely anything they'd have would be in Japanese ... The bottom line is that one of the reasons why there's a price difference between Oracle and Postgres is that Oracle has a marketing department that goes out and collects the sort of testimonials you're looking for. Postgres doesn't. So, if you aren't going to touch Postgres without an Oracle-like stack of marketing material, we might as well not waste each other's time: go buy Oracle. If you want to consider using Postgres, my recommendation would be to build up the confidence you want for yourself. Start small, with some noncritical projects, and see how Postgres does with them. Scale up from there. regards, tom lane ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org Next Message by Date: click to view message previewRe: Perl - PostgresLe Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 03:15:46PM +1100, simran a écrit ... > Have a read of the documentation for the DBI and DBD::Pg modules. > > perldoc DBI > perldoc DBD::Pg desmond@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx % perldoc -f dbi No documentation for perl function `dbi' found :-( D. -- Desmond Coughlan |'Io non mori, e non rimasi vivo' desmond@xxxxxxxxxxx http://www.zeouane.org pgpCD09Q7NdfM.pgp Description: PGP signature Previous Message by Thread: click to view message previewRe: New and investigating"Alain Gougeon" <agougeon@xxxxxxxxxxxx> writes: > Where do i obtain information on PostgreSQL that would allow me to have an > acceptable level of trust in it??? I don't think you're going to find what you're looking for. Companies are not normally in the habit of stepping forward and offering unsolicited testimonials for stuff that they use (especially not free software). It takes a good deal of cajoling to get someone to offer a reference, and right now there is no one with the time/interest/resources to do that for Postgres. Unless possibly PostgreSQL Inc, and you say you already looked there. Great Bridge used to be in the business of collecting such references, and they had a number of good ones, but I think all that information vanished when they shut down. Red Hat was doing so as well, but they are currently maintaining a low profile w.r.t. RHDB, so I don't think anything is going to be available there either. You could try SRA, too, but most likely anything they'd have would be in Japanese ... The bottom line is that one of the reasons why there's a price difference between Oracle and Postgres is that Oracle has a marketing department that goes out and collects the sort of testimonials you're looking for. Postgres doesn't. So, if you aren't going to touch Postgres without an Oracle-like stack of marketing material, we might as well not waste each other's time: go buy Oracle. If you want to consider using Postgres, my recommendation would be to build up the confidence you want for yourself. Start small, with some noncritical projects, and see how Postgres does with them. Scale up from there. regards, tom lane ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org Next Message by Thread: click to view message previewRe: New and investigatingThanks for the link David, it indeed was interesting. That story speaks very well of PostgreSQL. That experience relates to volume, would you have anything else that relates more to an OLTP environment? (to complete the picture). Now... (this is for everybody, not David in particular) A lil' problem i have (generally speaking, in my search for info) is that i haven't find anything else yet that is more "oficial" or more numerous. That's only a mail on a mailing list after all, you know. It evidently is a very interesting case, but if i want to doubt of it, i would have several good reasons just by what's written there. I can't take it for sure as something real and definitive. It would be more helpful if there would be more cases like that, and with some level of "oficiality" (doubtless stuff). Other DB vendors usually have a list of clients with cases documented. You can go fetch information if you need to. For now i only have one such case here: the one that PostgreSQL itslef publishes on its advocacy page, of BASF northamerica. But even that one speaks a lot of projections, and not so much of things that have already happen... I am not being paranoic, just cautious and responsible. I want to believe in PostgreSQL. I am not trying to discredit it. All the contrary, i want to find apropriate information. The logical reasonment is: "if PostgreSQL is good, it must prove somewhere. Where are the cases?". So, where are they? I really want to know. Any more pointers, anybody? Alain Gougeon La Paz, Bolivia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Nicely" <david@xxxxxxxxx> To: <pgsql-novice@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [NOVICE] New and investigating > On Tue, 28 Jan 2003 16:14:50 -0400 > "Alain Gougeon" <agougeon@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > . Is it really industrial strength? Where can i find articles/white > > papers/etc that document it? (many people in the lists mention MySQL > > and stuff like that, that's another ballgame alltogether) > > > > This post may be of interest... > http://www.faqchest.com/prgm/pgsql-l/pgsql-01/pgsql-0107/pgsql-010728/pgsql0 1071613_20151.html > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- TIP 5: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql.org/users-lounge/docs/faq.html Loading Comments...
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