On Feb 14, 2004, at 10:14 PM, Alexey Borzov wrote:
Hi!
I am well aware my English can be bad, but not *that* bad. It is IMHO
impossible to understand my messages in such a way, unless one really
*wants* to. :[
Marc, with all due respect:
1) Please provide a link to the thread where I wanted full CVS access
because of my superior mock up.
2) Please provide a link to where I "told everyone they were doing it
all wrong, and that his way was better ..."
3) Are personal insults the preferred method of discussion in
PostgreSQL community?
Oh no, now we are "show me where..." stage...
Ehi look how much time is going wasted in this discussion.
Marc summarized your previous posts on the www list where the tone was
all but cordial.
For one, saying that the current website is an "abomination" was
offensive to the volunteers who did
this in their own available spare time. You know that. But let's move
on, we are all wasting time with arguments.
You are a good developer. Don't let your manners jeopardize the whole
effort which is very welcome.
As you can see
http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-www/2004-02/msg00081.php things
are moving so, what's the issue?
Cheers
David COsta
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
and that it does *need* to be fixed ... hell, everyone on the list
even
welcomes Alexey's input and work towards fixing it ... what nobody
is
welcoming is his "do it my way or no way" attitude ...
I guess I didn't get that from his posts. I just got that he is
frustrated
because he is passionate about PostgreSQL but it seems that the
website
and web community around it is so difficult to deal with.
You must have missed his original thread then, when he vehemently(sp?)
argued that we should give him full CVS access to change the web site
because the mock up he showed us of what he wanted to do was sooooo
vastly
superior to what is there now ...
I actually don't know if the web community is difficult to deal with
so
I can speak to that.
They aren't ... there is a mailing list setup for discussing the
technical
www issues ... it is a fairly large list, but it isn't an open list
(ie.
subscriptions are mooerated to the extent of 'you want to be on it,
let
Dave know and he'll add you' ... basically, if you are interested
enough
in being a part of it to ask to be apart of it, you'll get added ...
we
have no 'full time, that is all they do, web developer', everything is
like -hackesr ... a volunteer group that does what they can, when
they can
...
Alexey came along from the start with "give me the reins and I'll fix
all
the problems" ... and even that wouldn't been so bad, except he came
out
of no where, told everyone they were doing it all wrong, and that his
way
was better ...
That put the hackles up on everyones necks who have been spending
their
spare time trying to clean up the web sites and improve them ...
Nobody has once stated that Alexey doesn't have anything to
contribute ...
and alot of effort has been made by several to 'steer him' into the
sequence of steps that has been determined need to be done to improve
things ... but, I know in my case at least, any positive benefits
Alexey
can bring to the community are being heavily negated by his temper
tantrums ...
So, do we think Alexey has something to contribute? Yes, definitely
...
Sure... but to some degree he is right.
Guess it depends on how you parent ... my 2 year old throws temper
tantrums ... we put her on the floor and let her yell her lungs out
until
she decides that she's just not makign as much headway as she could be
making ...
Alexey, right now, is about in the same league ... he could get alot
more
done, faster, if we didn't have to wait out his temper tantrums ...
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