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Re: [argouml-dev] Plan (was: [argouml-dev] new screenshot for 0.26)

On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:06:46 +0200, "Christian López Espínola" <penyaskito@xxxxxxxxx> said: > We could embed the chat into our "support" page, see: > http://wiki.mibbit.com/index.php/Widget Or maybe one day even into a help tab within the application itself. This would be a concept I've never come across anywhere else before, but I can see potential for it being very valuable to the users (an application with built-in instant technical support). Dave

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Re: [argouml-dev] "As diagram" tab

I'd love to see the "As Diagram" tab go away. It takes up quite a bit of room under Mac OS X.BrianOn Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 5:45 AM, Thomas N. <thn-d@xxxxxx> wrote: Hi, ok then we just keep it, no problem with that. (I was thinking of a simple solution in MultiEditorPane.java, like changing "add(tabs, BorderLayout.CENTER);" into "add(tabPanels.get(0), BorderLayout.CENTER);", until the tabs are really used. They are still there, but not displayed. I saw that the tab text need to be i18n-ized anyway, maybe the tabs will be used without a starting "As ", probably for different diagrams, whatever your ideas was here.) Thomas -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:11:42 +0100 > Von: "Bob Tarling" <bob.tarling@xxxxxxxxx> > An: dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Betreff: Re: [argouml-dev] "As diagram" tab > I certainly think it is not worth doing such a cosmetic change for 0.26. > > Is it really possible to hide just the label part of a JTabbedPane? > > Bob. > > > 2008/7/15 Thomas N. <thn-d@xxxxxx>: > > Hi Bob, > > > > I've seen the issues, that's why I talked about making it invisible, not > getting rid of it. I came across this tab when I made the screenshot for > the homepage. When adding functionality to the tab, it might be better if it > was not there for some time and then is reintroduced, which would give > more attention to it then. > > > > So I need to know for 0.26: hide it or keep it? > > > > Thomas > > > > -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > >> Datum: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:05:13 +0100 > >> Von: "Bob Tarling" <bob.tarling@xxxxxxxxx> > >> An: dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> Betreff: Re: [argouml-dev] "As diagram" tab > > > >> Not if getting rid makes > >> http://argouml.tigris.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=610 any more > >> difiicult to implement. > >> > >> I marked this as started long ago. Maybe I should get back to it post > >> 0.26. > >> > >> Bob. > >> > >> > >> 2008/7/14 Thomas N. <thn-d@xxxxxx>: > >> > Hi, > >> > > >> > wouldn't it be better to make the "as diagram" tab in the editing > pane > >> invisible, or does it have a function? According to the user manual it > >> doesn't: (chapter 16.9 I think) > >> > > >> > "Earlier versions of ArgoUML did implement a tabular representation, > but > >> the current release only supports a diagram representation, so this tab > >> does not have any function." > >> > > >> > This would give some space to the edition pane, and in the windows > L&F > >> the resize handle would be easier to find. > >> > > >> > Would there be a clean way to have this change for 0.26, or must this > >> wait for 0.27.x, or must this be kept for later usage? This is not that > >> important, I don't mind if it stays for another stable release. > >> > > >> > Thomas > >> > -- > >> > GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen > Interessen! > >> > Jetzt dabei sein: > >> http://www.shortview.de/wasistshortview.php?mc=sv_ext_mf@gmx > >> > > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> > > >> > > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > -- > > Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! > > Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -- GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/wasistshortview.php?mc=sv_ext_mf@gmx --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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Re: [argouml-dev] Plan (was: [argouml-dev] new screenshot for 0.26)

On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:06:46 +0200, "Christian López Espínola" <penyaskito@xxxxxxxxx> said: > We could embed the chat into our "support" page, see: > http://wiki.mibbit.com/index.php/Widget Or maybe one day even into a help tab within the application itself. This would be a concept I've never come across anywhere else before, but I can see potential for it being very valuable to the users (an application with built-in instant technical support). Dave

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Re: [argouml-dev] Plan (was: [argouml-dev] new screenshot for 0.26)

Hi Linus, I finished work on the support page, so that you can go ahead and announce it in a news item and in a mail to the users mailing list, as you said. Here is a proposal, feel free to change or replace it: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: New support page, new support channels Hi, the project team proudly announces a new support page. It contains links and information about the available support channels. You can find the already known issue tracking system (issuezilla) and the users mailing list, but also new possibilities: a forum, a wiki and even a chatroom (irc channel). All these already went alive and are fully available! The support page is available: - in the left hand menu of all project web pages (http://argouml.tigris.org/support.html) - inside the ArgoUML application, if internet is reachable (Help -> Help F1, then the Support tab in the opening dialog box) Have a look and enjoy! The ArgoUML project team -------------------------------------------------------------------------- So, here is my progress status: > 1. 100% > 2. 100% > 3. 100% > 4. 80% (we gathered new features recently) > 5. 80% (need to be sent) Item 4 will be done when 0.26 is released, OK? Regards, Thomas -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:46:07 +0200 > Von: "Thomas N." <thn-d@xxxxxx> > An: dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Betreff: [argouml-dev] Plan (was: [argouml-dev] new screenshot for 0.26) > Hi Linus, > > thanks for the starting shot. I have some personal constraints next days, > but it should be manageable. > > Here's my plan: > > 1. Create a support page for the project, > http://argouml.tigris.org/support.html > 2. Add a "Support" link to it in the "Using ArgoUML" menu > 3. Update the main page, mainly the screenshot > 4. Provide you with a news message for the coming release 0.26 > 5. Provide you with a news message for the new user channels and the > support page > > Progress so far: > 1. 20%: initial version with just the naked links exists > 2. 0% > 3. 50% (new screenshot ready) > 4. 80% (we gathered new features recently) > 5. 0% > > About the support page: > This page will serve as a single point of (contact) information for how to > get support. It will primary push the existing channels (mailing lists, > issuezilla), but also introduce the users wiki+forum and the IRC channel. > I'll gather information from the manuals, cookbook etc. to direct the users > correctly. By the way: the support page will also be shown in the help dialog > inside ArgoUML, so help improving it! > > About the users wiki+forum: > Before promoting it, you all should have a look on it. Check the content, > but don't censor it. Here are the 2 links: > http://www.argouml-users.net/ > http://www.argouml-users.net/forum/ > > About the IRC channel: > I never used it, and I'm a little worried because this medium needs > constant online presence, which for all the other channels is not required. > Who > will watch this? If in doubt, it would probably be better to drop this idea. > Please speak up! > > Any further ideas/comments? > (Linus, should the result be documented anywhere for further maintainance? > I'll think about it.) > > Regards, > Thomas > > -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > > Datum: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:52:37 +0200 > > Von: "Linus Tolke" <linus@xxxxxxxxxx> > > An: dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Betreff: Re: [argouml-dev] new screenshot for 0.26 > > > Hello Thomas! > > > > I don't think we should wait with this and similar stuff. Do this as > soon > > as > > you are ready. There is enough work to do and to review and discuss at > the > > release so as much as possible should be done ahead of time. > > > > Another thing along these lines, isn't it time to promote the user Forum > > and > > Wiki from the argouml site? At least adding links to the users' site > among > > the Project Tools. Once the links are in place we could issue a News > item > > and a message to the users' and announce mailing lists. This could also > be > > done now, before the release. > > > > /Linus > > > > > > 2008/7/14, Thomas N. <thn-d@xxxxxx>: > > > > > > Hi Michiel, > > > > > > I'll wait until 0.26 is released. By the way, I made a new one with > the > > > default shadow, otherwise it's the same. Hope it's OK. > > > > > > Thank you, > > > Thomas > > > > > > -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > > > > Datum: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:16:56 +0200 > > > > Von: "Michiel van der Wulp" <mvw@xxxxxxxxxx> > > > > An: dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > Betreff: Re: [argouml-dev] new screenshot for 0.26 > > > > > > > Hi Thomas, > > > > > > > > No remarks any more ... please make it live (now or when the release > > is > > > > done?). > > > > > > > > Michiel > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Thomas N." <thn-d@xxxxxx> > > > > To: <dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 11:34 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [argouml-dev] new screenshot for 0.26 > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Michiel, > > > > > > > > thanks for your comments. The "annotated element" stands for the > line > > > > between class and comment, I don't know when it was introduced. I > > > > activated > > > > guillemots and switched to the package centric perspective. Only > > > drawback: > > > > the less interesting model elements are now displayed in the > explorer, > > > but > > > > it's OK. > > > > > > > > File attached (under different name). > > > > > > > > Thomas > > > > > > > > -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > > > > > Datum: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:15:08 +0200 > > > > > Von: "Michiel van der Wulp" <mvw@xxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > An: dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > Betreff: Re: [argouml-dev] new screenshot for 0.26 > > > > > > > > > Hi Thomas, > > > > > > > > > > Still more remarks: > > > > > > > > > > Since you use the Diagram-centric perspective, there is an > > "Annotated > > > > > Element" visible, which is quite useless and only visible with > this > > > > > perspective. IMHO it would be better to stick with the default > > > > > package-centric perspective. > > > > > BTW: I did not even remember having seen this element before... > > > > > > > > > > The original screenshot shows guillemots instead of double << >> > for > > a > > > > > stereotype. > > > > > > > > > > Other than this, the screenshot is OK for me. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Michiel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Thomas N." <thn-d@xxxxxx> > > > > > To: <dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 9:57 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [argouml-dev] new screenshot for 0.26 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Michiel, > > > > > > > > > > yes, png is much better. I attached it. > > > > > Maybe a color similar to the project home page is not desired, is > > more > > > > > contrast better? Blue again? > > > > > > > > > > Thomas > > > > > > > > > > -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > > > > > > Datum: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:50:07 +0200 > > > > > > Von: "Michiel van der Wulp" <mvw@xxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > An: dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > Betreff: Re: [argouml-dev] new screenshot for 0.26 > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Thomas, > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not understand the problem with the poor quality of the > GIF. > > > > > > Maybe it is the low number of colours? > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyhow, using a JPG is not a good idea for screenshots, due to > the > > > > lossy > > > > > > compression. A far better choice would be PNG then. > > > > > > > > > > > > If others agree with the greenish colours, then that's fine by > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Michiel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Thomas N." <thn-d@xxxxxx> > > > > > > To: <dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 9:38 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [argouml-dev] new screenshot for 0.26 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Michiel and Linus, > > > > > > > > > > > > Linus is right about the poor quality when dispplayed in a > > browser. > > > > It's > > > > > a > > > > > > problem I'm having with GIF. Attached is a JPG version, but I'm > > > > working > > > > > on > > > > > > a > > > > > > better solution > > > > > > > > > > > > Michiel, you're right that some new features are visible on it. > I > > > fear > > > > > the > > > > > > tabs must be in 2 lines, otherwise the image will be too wide. > The > > > > > colors > > > > > > are from Win XP with highest resolution. I'll reduce resolution > > and > > > > try > > > > > > again, but I like the colors because they fit well to the > > homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hold on, > > > > > > Thomas > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > > > > > > > Datum: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:26:15 +0200 > > > > > > > Von: "Michiel van der Wulp" <mvw@xxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > > An: dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > Betreff: Re: [argouml-dev] new screenshot for 0.26 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Thomas, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a great idea! > > > > > > > I see some new features, and a bug fix. The size of the gif is > a > > > bit > > > > > > > larger, > > > > > > > but I guess that will still fit. > > > > > > > The readability is better even than the previous screenshot - > I > > do > > > > not > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > why Linus contradicts this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The tabs in the details pane are on 2 lines - maybe you can > try > > if > > > > it > > > > > > fits > > > > > > > on one line - that looks so much nicer. > > > > > > > About the colors: Are these the default colours on Vista? > Since > > > IMHO > > > > > the > > > > > > > looks should be either the XP look, like before, or the > default > > > > Vista > > > > > > > look. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Michiel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Thomas N." <thn-d@xxxxxx> > > > > > > > To: <dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 7:16 PM > > > > > > > Subject: [argouml-dev] new screenshot for 0.26 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please find attached a new slightly improved screenshot > > candidate > > > > > for > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > project homepage. I'ts based on the model in subversion > > > > > > > > (documentation/manual/models/The Shapes Project.zargo). I > > > modified > > > > > it > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > renaming project and class diagram, adding a sequence > diagram > > > > > (empty), > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > rearanging class figs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it OK if this screenshot will replace the current > > screenshot? > > > > > > > > When? (on release of 0.26 or earlier?) > > > > > > > > Improvements? (File size etc.) > > > > > > > > Shall I commit the modified project? (same place or > > elsewhere?) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Thomas > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > GMX startet ShortView.de. 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