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Hi Paul; I am sure most companies producing velomobiles have a waiting list. But perhaps you can find a slightly used one (velmobiel.nl). Good luck. Sounds like an awesome trip.

At 04:01 PM 12/21/2004, Paul Shrivastava wrote:
I will be travelling to Amsterdam for the Almere Velomobile Rally on Dec 28th. I would like to try and acquire a machine while there. Any suggestions on vendors are most apprecaited. Thanks

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Today's Topics:

1. Cab-Bike weather (Mary Arneson)
2. RE: Cab-Bike weather (Matt Thyer)
3. Re: Cab-Bike weather (Mary Arneson)
4. road safety difference between leitra and obvious wheel
covered holand design (lehokolo.com)
5. Re: road safety difference between leitra and obvious wheel
covered holand design (TC Hazzard)
6. Re: road safety difference between leitra and obvious wheel
covered holand design (Theo Mol)
7. Re: road safety difference between leitra and obvious wheel
covered holand design (marneson47@xxxxxxxxxxxxx)

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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 18:34:25 -0600
From: Mary Arneson <marneson47@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Velomobile] Cab-Bike weather
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We woke up to freezing rain at 18 degrees F (about minus 8 C). I might have taken the car if I'd had my usual 5 mile commute, but I was working at a closer location, with lightly-traveled streets. It's surprising how much weight you can put on in a 2.7 mile ride. I figure I had 20 pounds of ice covering the exterior by the time I got to work. On one hill, it just wouldn't go, so I got out and pushed. Try THAT with a car! Had to keep the front window open because the ice was hardening so quickly that the windshield wiper couldn't do anything. I also got a bit overheated.

The ride home was nice. (But the windshield was still pretty iced up, and there were a couple of slippery spots on the streets.)

Mary

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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 16:42:10 -0800
From: "Matt Thyer" <mthyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [Velomobile] Cab-Bike weather
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Mary,

Does the ice form on the outside of your cab-bike or on the inside of
the velomobiel? I'm wondering if there isn't an easy solution to this
problem that will still allow you to stay comfortable inside the
cockpit.

Have you tried a product called Rain-X on the windshield? I use it on
my glasses here in the Pacific North West to solve similar problems
although not at such extreme temperatures. I do know that it keeps on
working even when the thermometer is very low in the glass.

Matt Thyer
Seattle, WA

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Subject: [Velomobile] Cab-Bike weather

We woke up to freezing rain at 18 degrees F (about minus 8 C). I

might

have taken the car if I'd had my usual 5 mile commute, but I was
working at a closer location, with lightly-traveled streets. It's
surprising how much weight you can put on in a 2.7 mile ride. I

figure

I had 20 pounds of ice covering the exterior by the time I got to

work.

On one hill, it just wouldn't go, so I got out and pushed. Try THAT
with a car! Had to keep the front window open because the ice was
hardening so quickly that the windshield wiper couldn't do anything.

I

also got a bit overheated.

The ride home was nice. (But the windshield was still pretty iced up,
and there were a couple of slippery spots on the streets.)

Mary

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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 19:00:06 -0600
From: Mary Arneson <marneson47@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Velomobile] Cab-Bike weather
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On Dec 20, 2004, at 6:42 PM, Matt Thyer wrote:

Mary,

Does the ice form on the outside of your cab-bike or on the inside of
the velomobiel? I'm wondering if there isn't an easy solution to this
problem that will still allow you to stay comfortable inside the
cockpit.

Actually, it was comfortable enough in the Cab-Bike most of the way; I just didn't take the time to stop and take off my jacket once it warmed up, so I got a little warmer than ideal toward the end. The rain was falling as raindrops, then freezing very solid as soon as it landed on the very cold ground, cars, etc. We had temperatures down below zero (F) in the past few days. From looking at the cars, I'd say that nobody had any product that would prevent a quarter-inch or more of solid ice from encasing everything. Lots of accidents on the roads.
The on-line freeway map was just about solid red, with little accident symbols scattered all over.

This sort of thing happens rarely in Minnesota. Usually, we have nice dry snow -- just sometimes too much of it to ride in.

Mary

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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 14:31:55 +0100
From: "lehokolo.com" <ladislav.blaha@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Velomobile] road safety difference between leitra and
obvious wheel covered holand design
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hi
just easy question.
I feel that design with open wheels not covered inside the fairing (like Leitra has) means car drivers give you more room when passing you. They are aware of hiting that wheels.
Is it true or not?
What is your experience with for example Mango? How much room cars give you?
And what is your experince with something like Leitra (there is one homebuilt on ligfiets.net with wheels done this way too)?
I live in Prague = city really not friendly for cyclists and considering building of velomobile.
Thank you
Ladia

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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 09:14:30 -0500
From: TC Hazzard <tc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Velomobile] road safety difference between leitra and
obvious wheel covered holand design
To: IHPVA <velomobile@xxxxxxxxx>
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Hi; I ride a Mango year round here in Maine, US. Most cars give me 3 or more feet. If you build it with bright colors and mount a flag at an angle, you should be alright. One thing to think about, is making the wheel base narrow enough to fit through doors. This makes for easier parking options.

At 08:31 AM 12/21/2004, you wrote:

hi
just easy question.
I feel that design with open wheels not covered inside the fairing (like Leitra has) means car drivers give you more room when passing you. They are aware of hiting that wheels.
Is it true or not?
What is your experience with for example Mango? How much room cars give you?
And what is your experince with something like Leitra (there is one homebuilt on ligfiets.net with wheels done this way too)?
I live in Prague = city really not friendly for cyclists and considering building of velomobile.
Thank you
Ladia
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:18:56 +0100
From: Theo Mol <theo@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Velomobile] road safety difference between leitra and
obvious wheel covered holand design
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lehokolo.com schreef:

I feel that design with open wheels not covered inside the fairing (like Leitra has) means car drivers give you more room when passing you. They are aware of hiting that wheels.
Is it true or not?
What is your experience with for example Mango? How much room cars give you?

Hi Ladia,

I pass through Amsterdam with my Quest several times a week, and there is hardly a problem. Cars keep a nice distance but cyclists do not, so any scratches on my velomobile are from bicycles. If ever I get in an awkward situation, it is on a narrow country road where sometimes a car driver does not dare to overtake because I am invisible to him when the car is beside me. Of course, this will happen less easily to a vehicle as high as a Leitra.
A velomobile which has the wheels inside the fairing is also less liable to damage in a collision, because the wheels have some protection. I can't tell how true this is for a Leitra, but I have some right to speak about Alleweder and Quest, after some head-on collisions with cyclists.

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----- Original Message ----- From: <marneson47@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> The placement > of the wheels on the Leitra allows tighter turns. That will help for avoiding collisions. IHMO, turning circle is always a designer's choice; having exposed wheels just makes the job look easy. I went with flush wheels on a narrow design, and left out the usual wheelwells, mounting the full fenders right to the suspension. So, on the tightest turns, they nudge my leg. No limit there. I used a turning circle about average for a car because I didn't want the usual super-quick steering. It is needed to balance a bike at low speed, but is a liability at high speed on a trike. Cars could have it with power steering, but no one does, even on sports cars. In two real-life traffic emergencies, I didn't go close to full lock on the steering, because one never does at those speeds except for oversteer recovery. (After deciding on the turning circle, I found that the space saved was very handy for other bits, and allowed the use of standard ball joints for the suspension in the preferred orientation, etc. etc.) Thanks for the great adventure stories, etc, Mary. Cheers, Bob Stuart We can change anything, but we can never change just one thing. - Designer's Lament _______________________________________________ Velomobile mailing list Velomobile@xxxxxxxxx http://www.ihpva.org/mailman/listinfo/velomobile %(disclaimer)s

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Depends what you want. Versatile has a long wait. Quest or Mango, unless available used, would be impossible in that time frame. Leitras are built to order. Cab-Bike has a dealer in Gouda ( http://www.veloxeurope.nl/VeloxEurope.html ). I don't know if he has one on hand, but they are normally built to order. Alleweders should be available from Alligt ligfietsen, who write on their website (in Dutch): "Please don't send any e-mail. Call us preferably if you want to know something or want to stop by." I imagine that someone there would be able to speak English. They are close to Almere -- at De Vliet 8, 8253 PB Dronten -- . Their phone number is 0321 337 838. Their Alleweder page is at http://www.alligt.nl/alleweder.htm (in case you can't figure out how to get to it from their home page; I certainly couldn't). The Alleweder is €3500, with an extra €100 for the lighting and €65 for the "skirt" ("Zeiltje"). (The other options are hydraulic brakes for €190, Speedometer - mounted- for €50, and Yellow something or other for €300.) There are also some German dealers for the Alligt version of the Alleweder. Ligfiets Plaza lists one used Alleweder for sale: alleweder alleweder ligfiets prima fiets van het merk flevobike nwe voorbanden 8-versnellingen ideaal voor langere afstanden van woon werk verkeer vrpr 1750 euro tel 0651820943 Lokatie: st hubert nrd brabant Van: jan toll, (posted November 1, 2004) ( tollfra @ wanadoo.nl ) - remove the spaces to use the e-mail address. This is in Nord Brabant, which isn't particularly close to Almere. Het adres van Alligt is: De Vliet 8 8253 PB Dronten tel 0321 337 838 fax 0321 339 290 Stuurt u a.u.b. geen e-mail. Belt u liever als u iets wilt weten of langs wilt komen. On Dec 21, 2004, at 3:01 PM, Paul Shrivastava wrote: I will be travelling to Amsterdam for the Almere Velomobile Rally on Dec 28th. I would like to try and acquire a machine while there. Any suggestions on vendors are most apprecaited. Thanks Paul velomobile-request@xxxxxxxxx wrote: Send Velomobile mailing list submissions to velomobile@xxxxxxxxx To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.ihpva.org/mailman/listinfo/velomobile or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to velomobile-request@xxxxxxxxx You can reach the person managing the list at velomobile-owner@xxxxxxxxx When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Velomobile digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Cab-Bike weather (Mary Arneson) 2. RE: Cab-Bike weather (Matt Thyer) 3. Re: Cab-Bike weather (Mary Arneson) 4. road safety difference between leitra and obvious wheel covered holand design (lehokolo.com) 5. Re: road safety difference between leitra and obvious wheel covered holand design (TC Hazzard) 6. Re: road safety difference between leitra and obvious wheel covered holand design (Theo Mol) 7. Re: road safety difference between leitra and obvious wheel covered holand design (marneson47@xxxxxxxxxxxxx) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 18:34:25 -0600 From: Mary Arneson <marneson47@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [Velomobile] Cab-Bike weather To: VELOMOBILE List <velomobile@xxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <113C2C35-52E8-11D9-AD58-000A95D95876@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed We woke up to freezing rain at 18 degrees F (about minus 8 C). I might have taken the car if I'd had my usual 5 mile commute, but I was working at a closer location, with lightly-traveled streets. It's surprising how much weight you can put on in a 2.7 mile ride. I figure I had 20 pounds of ice covering the exterior by the time I got to work. On one hill, it just wouldn't go, so I got out and pushed. Try THAT with a car! Had to keep the front window open because the ice was hardening so quickly that the windshield wiper couldn't do anything. I also got a bit overheated. The ride home was nice. (But the windshield was still pretty iced up, and there were a couple of slippery spots on the streets.) Mary ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 16:42:10 -0800 From: "Matt Thyer" <mthyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: RE: [Velomobile] Cab-Bike weather To: "Mary Arneson" <marneson47@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "VELOMOBILE List" <velomobile@xxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <032F55CEBFCB3C468C34315DB14B5EC505DE9C5C@RED-MSG -30.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Mary, Does the ice form on the outside of your cab-bike or on the inside of the velomobiel? I'm wondering if there isn't an easy solution to this problem that will still allow you to stay comfortable inside the cockpit. Have you tried a product called Rain-X on the windshield? I use it on my glasses here in the Pacific North West to solve similar problems although not at such extreme temperatures. I do know that it keeps on working even when the thermometer is very low in the glass. Matt Thyer Seattle, WA -----Original Message----- From: velomobile-bounces@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:velomobile-bounces@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mary Arneson Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 4:34 PM To: VELOMOBILE List Subject: [Velomobile] Cab-Bike weather We woke up to freezing rain at 18 degrees F (about minus 8 C). I might have taken the car if I'd had my usual 5 mile commute, but I was working at a closer location, with lightly-traveled streets. It's surprising how much weight you can put on in a 2.7 mile ride. I figure I had 20 pounds of ice covering the exterior by the time I got to work. On one hill, it just wouldn't go, so I got out and pushed. Try THAT with a car! Had to keep the front window open because the ice was hardening so quickly that the windshield wiper couldn't do anything. I also got a bit overheated. The ride home was nice. (But the windshield was still pretty iced up, and there were a couple of slippery spots on the streets.) Mary _______________________________________________ Velomobile mailing list Velomobile@xxxxxxxxx http://www.ihpva.org/mailman/listinfo/velomobile %(disclaimer)s ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 19:00:06 -0600 From: Mary Arneson <marneson47@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [Velomobile] Cab-Bike weather To: VELOMOBILE List <velomobile@xxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <A77D930F-52EB-11D9-AD58-000A95D95876@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Dec 20, 2004, at 6:42 PM, Matt Thyer wrote: Mary, Does the ice form on the outside of your cab-bike or on the inside of the velomobiel? I'm wondering if there isn't an easy solution to this problem that will still allow you to stay comfortable inside the cockpit. Actually, it was comfortable enough in the Cab-Bike most of the way; I just didn't take the time to stop and take off my jacket once it warmed up, so I got a little warmer than ideal toward the end. The rain was falling as raindrops, then freezing very solid as soon as it landed on the very cold ground, cars, etc. We had temperatures down below zero (F) in the past few days. From looking at the cars, I'd say that nobody had any product that would prevent a quarter-inch or more of solid ice from encasing everything. Lots of accidents on the roads. The on-line freeway map was just about solid red, with little accident symbols scattered all over. This sort of thing happens rarely in Minnesota. Usually, we have nice dry snow -- just sometimes too much of it to ride in. Mary ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 14:31:55 +0100 From: "lehokolo.com" <ladislav.blaha@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [Velomobile] road safety difference between leitra and obvious wheel covered holand design To: velomobile@xxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <41C825CB.9050804@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed hi just easy question. I feel that design with open wheels not covered inside the fairing (like Leitra has) means car drivers give you more room when passing you. They are aware of hiting that wheels. Is it true or not? What is your experience with for example Mango? How much room cars give you? And what is your experince with something like Leitra (there is one homebuilt on ligfiets.net with wheels done this way too)? I live in Prague = city really not friendly for cyclists and considering building of velomobile. Thank you Ladia ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 09:14:30 -0500 From: TC Hazzard <tc@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [Velomobile] road safety difference between leitra and obvious wheel covered holand design To: IHPVA <velomobile@xxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20041221091222.038350c8@xxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi; I ride a Mango year round here in Maine, US. Most cars give me 3 or more feet. If you build it with bright colors and mount a flag at an angle, you should be alright. One thing to think about, is making the wheel base narrow enough to fit through doors. This makes for easier parking options. At 08:31 AM 12/21/2004, you wrote: hi just easy question. I feel that design with open wheels not covered inside the fairing (like Leitra has) means car drivers give you more room when passing you. They are aware of hiting that wheels. Is it true or not? What is your experience with for example Mango? How much room cars give you? And what is your experince with something like Leitra (there is one homebuilt on ligfiets.net with wheels done this way too)? I live in Prague = city really not friendly for cyclists and considering building of velomobile. Thank you Ladia _______________________________________________ Velomobile mailing list Velomobile@xxxxxxxxx http://www.ihpva.org/mailman/listinfo/velomobile %(disclaimer)s TC Hazzard Great State of Maine 43.441335 -70.383317 ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:18:56 +0100 From: Theo Mol <theo@xxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [Velomobile] road safety difference between leitra and obvious wheel covered holand design To: velomobile List <velomobile@xxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <41C830D0.10102@xxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed lehokolo.com schreef: I feel that design with open wheels not covered inside the fairing (like Leitra has) means car drivers give you more room when passing you. They are aware of hiting that wheels. Is it true or not? What is your experience with for example Mango? How much room cars give you? Hi Ladia, I pass through Amsterdam with my Quest several times a week, and there is hardly a problem. Cars keep a nice distance but cyclists do not, so any scratches on my velomobile are from bicycles. If ever I get in an awkward situation, it is on a narrow country road where sometimes a car driver does not dare to overtake because I am invisible to him when the car is beside me. Of course, this will happen less easily to a vehicle as high as a Leitra. A velomobile which has the wheels inside the fairing is also less liable to damage in a collision, because the wheels have some protection. I can't tell how true this is for a Leitra, but I have some right to speak about Alleweder and Quest, after some head-on collisions with cyclists. -- _________________________________________ Paul Shrivastava, Ph.D. eSocrates, Inc. 905 Harrison Street, Allentown, PA 18103 T. 610-770-8946 Ext. 229, F. 610-770-1043 www.esocrates.com _________________________________________ Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. 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I will be travelling to Amsterdam for the Almere Velomobile Rally on Dec 28th. I would like to try and acquire a machine while there. Any suggestions on vendors are most apprecaited. Thanks Paul velomobile-request@xxxxxxxxx wrote: Send Velomobile mailing list submissions to velomobile@xxxxxxxxx To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.ihpva.org/mailman/listinfo/velomobile or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to velomobile-request@xxxxxxxxx You can reach the person managing the list at velomobile-owner@xxxxxxxxx When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Velomobile digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Cab-Bike weather (Mary Arneson) 2. RE: Cab-Bike weather (Matt Thyer) 3. Re: Cab-Bike weather (Mary Arneson) 4. road safety difference between leitra and obvious wheel covered holand design (lehokolo.com) 5. Re: road safety difference between leitra and obvious wheel covered holand design (TC Hazzard) 6. Re: road safety difference between leitra and obvious wheel covered holand design (Theo Mol) 7. Re: road safety difference between leitra and obvious wheel covered holand design (marneson47@xxxxxxxxxxxxx) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 18:34:25 -0600 From: Mary Arneson <marneson47@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [Velomobile] Cab-Bike weather To: VELOMOBILE List <velomobile@xxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <113C2C35-52E8-11D9-AD58-000A95D95876@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed We woke up to freezing rain at 18 degrees F (about minus 8 C). I might have taken the car if I'd had my usual 5 mile commute, but I was working at a closer location, with lightly-traveled streets. It's surprising how much weight you can put on in a 2.7 mile ride. I figure I had 20 pounds of ice covering the exterior by the time I got to work. On one hill, it just wouldn't go, so I got out and pushed. Try THAT with a car! Had to keep the front window open because the ice was hardening so quickly that the windshield wiper couldn't do anything. I also got a bit overheated. The ride home was nice. (But the windshield was still pretty iced up, and there were a couple of slippery spots on the streets.) Mary ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 16:42:10 -0800 From: "Matt Thyer" <mthyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: RE: [Velomobile] Cab-Bike weather To: "Mary Arneson" <marneson47@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "VELOMOBILE List" <velomobile@xxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <032F55CEBFCB3C468C34315DB14B5EC505DE9C5C@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Mary, Does the ice form on the outside of your cab-bike or on the inside of the velomobiel? I'm wondering if there isn't an easy solution to this problem that will still allow you to stay comfortable inside the cockpit. Have you tried a product called Rain-X on the windshield? I use it on my glasses here in the Pacific North West to solve similar problems although not at such extreme temperatures. I do know that it keeps on working even when the thermometer is very low in the glass. Matt Thyer Seattle, WA -----Original Message----- From: velomobile-bounces@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:velomobile-bounces@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mary Arneson Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 4:34 PM To: VELOMOBILE List Subject: [Velomobile] Cab-Bike weather We woke up to freezing rain at 18 degrees F (about minus 8 C). I might have taken the car if I'd had my usual 5 mile commute, but I was working at a closer location, with lightly-traveled streets. It's surprising how much weight you can put on in a 2.7 mile ride. I figure I had 20 pounds of ice covering the exterior by the time I got to work. On one hill, it just wouldn't go, so I got out and pushed. Try THAT with a car! Had to keep the front window open because the ice was hardening so quickly that the windshield wiper couldn't do anything. I also got a bit overheated. The ride home was nice. (But the windshield was still pretty iced up, and there were a couple of slippery spots on the streets.) Mary _______________________________________________ Velomobile mailing list Velomobile@xxxxxxxxx http://www.ihpva.org/mailman/listinfo/velomobile %(disclaimer)s ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 19:00:06 -0600 From: Mary Arneson <marneson47@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [Velomobile] Cab-Bike weather To: VELOMOBILE List <velomobile@xxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <A77D930F-52EB-11D9-AD58-000A95D95876@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Dec 20, 2004, at 6:42 PM, Matt Thyer wrote: Mary, Does the ice form on the outside of your cab-bike or on the inside of the velomobiel? I'm wondering if there isn't an easy solution to this problem that will still allow you to stay comfortable inside the cockpit. Actually, it was comfortable enough in the Cab-Bike most of the way; I just didn't take the time to stop and take off my jacket once it warmed up, so I got a little warmer than ideal toward the end. The rain was falling as raindrops, then freezing very solid as soon as it landed on the very cold ground, cars, etc. We had temperatures down below zero (F) in the past few days. From looking at the cars, I'd say that nobody had any product that would prevent a quarter-inch or more of solid ice from encasing everything. Lots of accidents on the roads. The on-line freeway map was just about solid red, with little accident symbols scattered all over. This sort of thing happens rarely in Minnesota. Usually, we have nice dry snow -- just sometimes too much of it to ride in. Mary ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 14:31:55 +0100 From: "lehokolo.com" <ladislav.blaha@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [Velomobile] road safety difference between leitra and obvious wheel covered holand design To: velomobile@xxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <41C825CB.9050804@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed hi just easy question. I feel that design with open wheels not covered inside the fairing (like Leitra has) means car drivers give you more room when passing you. They are aware of hiting that wheels. Is it true or not? What is your experience with for example Mango? How much room cars give you? And what is your experince with something like Leitra (there is one homebuilt on ligfiets.net with wheels done this way too)? I live in Prague = city really not friendly for cyclists and considering building of velomobile. Thank you Ladia ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 09:14:30 -0500 From: TC Hazzard <tc@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [Velomobile] road safety difference between leitra and obvious wheel covered holand design To: IHPVA <velomobile@xxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20041221091222.038350c8@xxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi; I ride a Mango year round here in Maine, US. Most cars give me 3 or more feet. If you build it with bright colors and mount a flag at an angle, you should be alright. One thing to think about, is making the wheel base narrow enough to fit through doors. This makes for easier parking options. At 08:31 AM 12/21/2004, you wrote: hi just easy question. I feel that design with open wheels not covered inside the fairing (like Leitra has) means car drivers give you more room when passing you. They are aware of hiting that wheels. Is it true or not? What is your experience with for example Mango? How much room cars give you? And what is your experince with something like Leitra (there is one homebuilt on ligfiets.net with wheels done this way too)? I live in Prague = city really not friendly for cyclists and considering building of velomobile. Thank you Ladia _______________________________________________ Velomobile mailing list Velomobile@xxxxxxxxx http://www.ihpva.org/mailman/listinfo/velomobile %(disclaimer)s TC Hazzard Great State of Maine 43.441335 -70.383317 ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:18:56 +0100 From: Theo Mol <theo@xxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [Velomobile] road safety difference between leitra and obvious wheel covered holand design To: velomobile List <velomobile@xxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <41C830D0.10102@xxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed lehokolo.com schreef: I feel that design with open wheels not covered inside the fairing (like Leitra has) means car drivers give you more room when passing you. They are aware of hiting that wheels. Is it true or not? What is your experience with for example Mango? How much room cars give you? Hi Ladia, I pass through Amsterdam with my Quest several times a week, and there is hardly a problem. Cars keep a nice distance but cyclists do not, so any scratches on my velomobile are from bicycles. If ever I get in an awkward situation, it is on a narrow country road where sometimes a car driver does not dare to overtake because I am invisible to him when the car is beside me. Of course, this will happen less easily to a vehicle as high as a Leitra. A velomobile which has the wheels inside the fairing is also less liable to damage in a collision, because the wheels have some protection. I can't tell how true this is for a Leitra, but I have some right to speak about Alleweder and Quest, after some head-on collisions with cyclists. -- _________________________________________ Paul Shrivastava, Ph.D. eSocrates, Inc. 905 Harrison Street, Allentown, PA 18103 T. 610-770-8946 Ext. 229, F. 610-770-1043 www.esocrates.com _________________________________________ Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. Thank you. _______________________________________________ Velomobile mailing list Velomobile@xxxxxxxxx http://www.ihpva.org/mailman/listinfo/velomobile %(disclaimer)s

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