Fwd: Re: Eudes de Rougemont

--- In rosamond@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "John Presco" <prosemont@xxxx> wrote:
While Chretien's romance was the first, and remains in many ways 
central to developments within the tradition, other medieval writers 
took up the theme; as well as development, there is cross 
fertilisation. Between c. 1191-1200, the Burgundian poet, Robert de 
Boron, also writing at the behest of a crusader patron, the Lord of 
Montfacon, produced three romances, Joseph d'Arimathie, Merlin (most 
of which is lost) and Perceval (which may or may not actually have 
been written). All these romances treat the grail theme. Robert de 
Boron puts the grail into the context of Christ's passion. In Joseph 
d'Arimathie, Pilate gives the cup used at the Last Supper and 
Crucifixion to Joseph of Arimathea who is subsequently imprisoned. 
Christ brings the grail to Joseph in prison where it sustains him and 
teaches him its secrets. Joseph is freed by the emperor Vespasian who 
has been cured by Veronica's veil (another mysterious relic 
associated with Christ's passion). Robert introduces two more 
characters, Joseph's sister and her husband, Hebron (Bron). Joseph 
establishes a second table of the grail, and Bron catches a fish 
which is placed on the table and separates the just from the unjust. 
The object is called the Holy Grail at this point and gives joy to 
all who sit at the table. Alain, the leader of Bron's twelve sons, 
goes to Britain to await the "third man" (Perceval?) who will be the 
permanent keeper of the grail. Bron becomes the "Rich Fisher" and 
journeys with the grail to Britain, while Joseph returns to 
Arimathea. In Robert de Boron's Merlin, the magician constructs the 
Round Table in imitation of the Grail table and adds the Siege 
Perilous which awaits the truest knight who will find the grail. 
Later Merlin helps Perceval on his grail adventures, and after 
Perceval becomes Grail King Merlin retires to the woods to dictate 
the grail story to the priest, Blaise. Whether Robert de Boron 
actually wrote Perceval is not known but the prose version based on 
these romances (usually called the Roman du Graal) established the 
fashion for a new format which traced the history of the grail from 
its origins in the biblical story of Christ's passion to its 
achievement by one of the knights. In effect this became a grail 
cycle which focused on the knights who undertook the quest for the 
grail rather than the courtly knights who accomplished adventures for 
the love of a lady and the honour of the king.

The Didot Perceval (c. 1220) is a prose romance based on Robert de 
Boron's lost Perceval and the Second Continuation. Here, Perceval is 
the son of Alain le Gros (evidence of the Joseph of Arimathea 
tradition). After he sits in the forbidden seat at the Round Table, 
the stone splits, the grail appears, and a voice announces the quest 
to restore order and lift the enchantments. The context is Arthur's 
court and the grail is absorbed into the Arthurian saga in which all 
the knights undertake the quest. Perceval's adventures include the 
loss of a stag and hound (from the Second Continuation), the fight 
with the knight of the tomb, the children in the tree, the hermit 
uncle and the Fisher King (from Chretien), and an encounter with 
Merlin (from Robert de Boron). Perceval asks the grail questions 
which cure the Fisher King, repairs the stone, reveals the secret of 
the grail (not to the reader of course), and remains as ruler of 
Grail castle. Then the tale continues with Arthur as its focus.

CHILPERIC, King of Burgondes 
Family:
Child :
CLOTILDE, 


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CHRETIEN, Andre 
Birth: November 21, 1735 in Rougemont the Castle, 90, F
Death: April 30, 1809 in Rougemont the Castle, 90, F
Parents :
Father: CHRETIEN, Claude 
Mother: HEYDET, Elisabeth 

Family:
Marriage: November 26, 1763 in Rougemont the Castle, 90, F
United:
VUILLEMIN, Elisabeth 
Birth: May 16, 1741 in Rougemont the Castle, 90, F
Parents :
Father: WILLEMIN, Claude Richard 
Mother: BOURRUT, Marie Rose 

Child :
CHRETIEN, Nicolas 
Birth: . 1765 in Rougemont the Castle, 90, F
Death: March 30, 1770 in Rougemont the Castle, 90, F
CHRETIEN, Francoise 
Birth: November 07, 1775 in Rougemont the Castle, 90, F
CHRETIEN, Andre 


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CHRETIEN, Antoine 
Parents :
Father: CHRETIEN, Jean 

Family:
Marriage: BEFORE 1680
United:
MERLET, Sybille 
Birth: . 1651
Death: November 07, 1725 in Rougemont the Castle, 90, F

Child :
CHRETIEN, Nicolas 
CHRETIEN, Jeanne 
CHRETIEN, Jeanne Marguerite 
Birth: September 04, 1692 in Rougemont the Castle, 90, F
Death: June 09, 1714 in Felon, 90, F
CHRETIEN, Antoine Joseph 
Birth: March 20, 1694 in Rougemont the Castle, 90, F
CHRETIEN, Thomas 
Birth: March 19, 1696 in Rougemont the Castle, 90, F
CHRETIEN, Elisabeth 
Birth: February 21, 1698 in Rougemont the Castle, 90, F
CHRETIEN, Jean Pierre 
CHRETIEN, Henrion 
CHRETIEN, Jean 
CHRETIEN, Claude 

> "A little over a mile to the southwest of Winchester's town center, 
> in an idyllic country setting, is another ancient building with 
> Arthurian connections. The Hospital of St. Cross features 
> an "Almshouse of Noble Poverty," in continuous use since the 
twelfth 
> century, and a Norman chapel of striking if severe beauty, noted 
for 
> its so-called "bird-beak" rounded-arch window. St. Cross is founded 
> in 1136 as a charitable institution for "thirteen poor men, feeble 
> and so reduced in strength that they can hardly or with difficuity 
> support themselves without another's aid," so that "the poor in 
> Christ may there humbly dwell[,] and devoutly serve God."(22) The 
> founder is the brother of King Stephen, one Henry of Blois, abbot 
of 
> Glastonbury, bishop of Winchester, and papal legate.(23) Henry of 
> Blois is said to have "played a key role in English politics," and 
to 
> have patronized the arts "almost on the scale of a Renaissance 
> prince."(24) Henry of Blois's nephew is Henri the Liberal of 
> Champagne,(25) husband of Marie de Champagne, daughter of Eleanor 
of 
> Aquitaine and an early patron of Chrétien de Troyes, the poet 
> credited with turning the Arthur of history and chronicle into the 
> Arthur of romance, and of introducing Lancelot and the Grail into 
the 
> Arthurian legend. "Henry of Blois," writes William Kibler, "had 
> important contacts with Geoffrey of Monmouth and William of 
> Malmesbury,"(26) and Henry of Blois might well be the link between 
> these two early Arthurian writers and Chrétien de Troyes, who is 
> thought to have worked in England at some point in his career, 
> perhaps at the court of Henry II.(27) Chrétien, in his poem Cligés, 
> locates Arthur and his court at Winchester,(28) although in his 
poem 
> The Knight of the Cart (Lancelot), it is Chrétien who, without any 
> particular fanfare, introduces the mythic Camelot into the 
Arthurian 
> Iegend.(29) 
> 
> > The Court of Champagne were responcible for the Arthurian 
legands. 
> > Here is an article about the Round Table being at Winchester, 
this 
> > very possibly the case as Henri of Champagne was the brother of 
> King Stephen (Etienne).
> > 
> > We have explored adversity with Islam as far as it can go. I am 
> > looking for a few good people who will undauntedly persue the 
> truth - 
> > and Peace with Islam. 
> > 
> > Jon Presco
> > 
> > http://cumber.edu/acad/history/DennisO'Brien93.htm
> 
> > > > http://perso.club-internet.fr/herve_ga/t/engcomtes.htm
> > > > 
> > > > Jon
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > > De ROUGEMONT XI - XVI 
> > > > > __________________________________ 
> > > > > Ancêtres de Jeanne De Rougemont
> > > > > Jeanne De Rougemont (<1503- ) X Guillaume De Busseül 
> > > > > Philibert De Rougemont (<1483- ) X Philiberte De Busseül 
> > > > > Humbert De Rougemont (<1463- ) X Catherine De Bletterans 
> (<1468-
> > >  ) 
> > > > > __________________________________ 
> > > > > Ancêtres de Marguerite De Rougemont
> > > > > Marguerite De Rougemont (<1385- ) X Guillaume D'Estrabonne 
> > > > > __________________________________ 
> > > > > Ancêtres de Isabelle De Rougemont
> > > > > Isabelle De Rougemont (<1235- ) X Robert De Choiseul-Traves 
> > > > > Thibaut III De Rougemont (<1215 Rougemont(25)- >1259) 
> > > > > Thibaut II De Rougemont (<1163 Rougemont(25)- >1173) X Alix 
> De 
> > > > Traves 
> > > > > Humbert De Rougemont (<1158- >1220) 
> > > > > Thibaut I De Rougemont (<1123- >1138) 
> > > > > Etienne De Rougemont (<1095- >1105) 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Jon Presco 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Note the place bar sur Aube.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Jon
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > "Theobald Vth that property received 1152 Blois 
Chartres , 
> > > > > > Chateaudun , route and to chinon and possessed 
Lehensrechte 
> > > over 
> > > > > > Joigny, Rougemont, Rethel, bar sur Aube, Grandpre, 
Bourbon 
> > and 
> > > > > Perche 
> > > > > > Gouet." 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > "Etienne Henri, eldest son of Thibaud, succeeded him on 
his 
> > > > death, 
> > > > > > without sharing any of his rich heritage with his half 
> > > brothers, 
> > > > > born 
> > > > > > from the second marriage of Thibaud with Adèle of Bar sur 
> > Aube, 
> > > > > whom 
> > > > > > he made his vassals; 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > It stood back behind its older brother Heinrich I. of 
> > > > > > Champagne Brie Troyes at power, reputation and influence 
> and 
> > > had 
> > > > > with 
> > > > > > it, Stephan and many Vasallen because of interlocked 
> > possession 
> > > > and 
> > > > > > legal relations many arguments, likewise with its 
> > Lehensherren 
> > > > > > (particularly the French crown and the archbishop of 
> Reims). 
> > > > > Theobald 
> > > > > > came by the royal brother-in-law strengthened into the 
> royal 
> > > > camp, 
> > > > > > became even Kronmarschall king of Ludwig VII. and later 
the 
> > > > nephew 
> > > > > > and 1180 in the regency disputes mixed together against 
> > > Flanders 
> > > > > and 
> > > > > > left in the long run to the erzbischoeflichen brother the 
> > > > > precedence. 
> > > > > > It made 1189 for the 3. Crusade along and died before 
> Akkon. 
> > > > > > --- In Rosamond-Presco@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "John Presco" 
> > > > > > <prosemont@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > > > > These Thibaults appear to be same as the Lords of 
> > Rougemont. 
> > > I 
> > > > > may 
> > > > > > be 
> > > > > > > looking at images of my Rougemont/Rosamond kin. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > http://perso.club-internet.fr/herve_ga/t/engcomtes.htm
> > > > 
> > > > > It appears I am kin to Pope (Eudes) Urbain 2 who preached 
the 
> > > first 
> > > > > Crusade and made it possible for Monks to become warriors. 
> ,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Humbert III OF ROUGEMONT [ Parents ] was born approximately 
> > 1249 
> > > in 
> > > > > Rougemont Doubs Franche county. It married Agnès OF DURNAY. 
> > > Humbert 
> > > > > was employed... with the Lord.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Other marriages:
> > > > > 
> > > > > OF ROCHEFORT, Isabelle 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Agnes OF DURNAY [ Parents ] was born approximately 1270. 
She 
> > died 
> > > > in 
> > > > > 1306. Agnes married Humbert III OF ROUGEMONT. Agnes was 
> > > employed... 
> > > > > with the Lady of New Castle of Vuillafans.
> > > > > 
> > > > > They had the following children:
> > > > > 
> > > > >    F I Marguerite OF ROUGEMONT was born approximately 1290, 
> and 
> > > > died 
> > > > > on October 13, 1350. 
> > > > >    M II Thibaut IV OF ROUGEMONT Seigneur was born in 1269. 
> > > > >    M III Odon or Eudes OF ROUGEMONT Archevèque of Besancon 
> was 
> > > born 
> > > > > in 1299 in Rougemont Doubs Franche county. It is deceased 
in 
> > 1341 
> > > > in 
> > > > > Besancon. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Humbert III OF ROUGEMONT [ Parents ] was born approximately 
> > 1249 
> > > in 
> > > > > Rougemont Doubs Franche county. It married Isabelle OF 
> > ROCHEFORT 
> > > > > after 1306. Humbert was employed... with the Lord.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Other marriages:
> > > > > 
> > > > > DURNAY, AGNES 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Isabelle OF ROCHEFORT was born approximately 1280. She 
> married 
> > > > > Humbert III OF ROUGEMONT after 1306.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > http://members.lycos.fr/dache/histo.htm
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Jon
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > "The way which leads to the vault was borrowed since of 
the 
> > > > > centuries 
> > > > > > by thousands of pilgrims come to request with the foot of 
> > > Marie. 
> > > > > The 
> > > > > > existence of a vault on the hill of Bourlémont is 
mentioned 
> > for 
> > > > the 
> > > > > > first time as of the XIII 2nd century in a letter gone 
back 
> > to 
> > > > 1269 
> > > > > > that Thomas, lord of Ronchamp, address to the Archbishop 
of 
> > > > > Besancon 
> > > > > > Eudes de Rougemont. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The site of Ronchamp is thus impresses of a long history 
> and 
> > > the 
> > > > > > tradition of this pilgrimage dedicated to the Virgin is 
> > deeply 
> > > > > > registered in the local culture. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Two other vaults preceded the building by Corbusier. The 
> > first 
> > > > > dating 
> > > > > > from XVème century was destroyed in 1913 by the 
lightning. 
> > The 
> > > > > second 
> > > > > > inaugurated in 1936 is destroyed in 1944 during the 2nd 
> world 
> > > > war. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The Vault in 1936 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > In 1950, Corbusier produces a plaster model. This project 
> is 
> > > > > adopted 
> > > > > > by some decided men (the Canon Ledeur, François Mathey, 
> > Maurice 
> > > > > > Jardot...). Work begins in 1953... La Chapelle is 
> inaugurated 
> > > on 
> > > > > June 
> > > > > > 25, 1955....
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