CryoNet #22735 - #22739

CryoNet - Mon 27 Oct 2003

    #22735: Re: CryoNet #22731 Space [Brett Bellmore]
    #22736: CryoNet #22728 - #22734 [Thomas Donaldson]
    #22737: Have yuo seen tihs one? [Doug Skrecky]
    #22738: Anhydrobiosis without trehalose in bdelloid rotifers. [Doug Skrecky]
    #22739: TGM vs wild-type humans [James Swayze]

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Message #22735
From: "Brett Bellmore" <bellmore@xxxxxxx>
References: <20031026100001.62651.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: CryoNet #22731 Space
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 07:47:23 -0500

"...
 There is no unobtainium magic material in that scheme, the tower is made of
 aramide, the rocket may be a simple first stage of a present day booster,
the
 tether is  a kevlar-aramide element, the NTR could be a scaled down version
of
 the 40 years old Nerva... The problem is political not technical.
...
>van Bozzonetti."

Carbon nanotubes, which are more than sufficient for a ground to
geosynchronous orbit tether, are hardly "unobtainium" these days. The
material exists now, it's just a question of improved manufacturing. And a
tether in tension is at least naturally stable, which is more than can be
said for a tower in compression.

http://www.isr.us/SEHome.asp

The basic problem with your proposal, though it might be workable
technically, is that it requires the development of four separate systems,
resulting in a huge multiplication of potential failure modes. In
particular, I'm dubious about launching a chemical booster from the top of
an inflated tower. Balloons and huge rockets with a significant tendency to
explode do not mix well.

Brett Bellmore

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Message #22736
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 07:52:24 -0500
From: Thomas Donaldson <73647.1215@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: CryoNet #22728 - #22734

HI everyone!

First, I would agree with Charles Platt that any attempt to sign
up & offer suspension to someone who never asked for it in the
first place raises lots of problems and almost always will end
in failure.

However for those who pity this woman, or want to help her,
I would also suggest that they see if CAT and MRI scans were done
on her first of all. They should tell us whether or not she still
exists and thus whether or not any help would be worthwhile.
Just a phone call or a letter to the hospital where she's now
sustained would give an answer to this question.

         Best wishes and long long life to all,

             Thomas Donaldson

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Message #22737
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:23:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Doug Skrecky <oberon@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Have yuo seen tihs one?

(geenarl inestret)

 Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at an Elingsh uinervtisy, it
 deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod
 are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht frist and lsat ltteer is
 at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and
 you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae we do not
 raed ervey lteter by it slef but the wrod as a wlohe.

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Message #22738
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:30:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Doug Skrecky <oberon@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Anhydrobiosis without trehalose in bdelloid rotifers.

        FEBS Lett. 2003 Oct 23;553(3):387-90
        Anhydrobiosis without trehalose in bdelloid rotifers.

        Eukaryotes able to withstand desiccation enter a state of
suspended animation known as anhydrobiosis, which is thought to require
accumulation of the non-reducing disaccharides trehalose (animals, fungi)
and sucrose (plants), acting as water replacement molecules and
vitrifying agents. We now show that clonal populations of bdelloid
rotifers Philodina roseola and Adineta vaga exhibit excellent desiccation
tolerance, but that trehalose and other disaccharides are absent from
carbohydrate extracts of dried animals. Furthermore, trehalose synthase
genes (tps) were not found in rotifer genomes. This first observation of
animal anhydrobiosis without trehalose challenges our current
understanding of the phenomenon and calls for a re-evaluation of existing
models.

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Message #22739
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 20:51:41 -0800
From: James Swayze <swayzej@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: TGM vs wild-type humans
References: <20031026100001.62651.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>

>Message #22732
>From: "Igor Artyuhov" <artyuhov@xxxxxxxxx>
>References: <20031025090000.45206.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: Re: Dietary supplement abolishes age-related cognitive decline 
>(CryoNet #22726)
>Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 23:49:32 +0400
>
>age-related cognitive decline
>
>[skipped]
>
>  
>
>One should remember that the experiment was performed
>with transgenic mice overexpressing growth hormone (TGM)
>and its results are  NOT  necessary applicable to wild-type
>humans.
>  
>
Igor and Doug,

How might this over expression be mimicked in "wild-type humans"? Could 
taking HGH approximate it? Are any of the non injectible varieties of 
HGH on the market worthy?

James

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