CryoNet #22705 - #22707

CryoNet - Wed 22 Oct 2003

    #22705: re: population and immigration [Bob]
    #22706: Re: CryoNet #22700 - #22704 [Randall Burns]
    #22707: population [Charles Platt]

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Message #22705
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 06:45:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bob <thimblerig101@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: re: population and immigration

> Message #22701
> From: THnsn8@xxxxxxx
> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 06:34:30 EDT
> Subject: Platt on Population
> 
> In a message dated 20/10/2003 10:00:53 GMT Standard
> Time, Bob writes:
> 
> > Charles, you cite a report or 2 to support your
> case
> > that those concerned with overpopulation are
> Chicken
> > Littles, but is it possible that the entities
> > generating such reports have agendas?
> 
> At the risk of looking stupid can I ask.......  
> what the hell is a 'Chicken 
> Little'??


It is a well-known reference from a nursery tale;
check www.google.com for details.

 
> Message #22702
> From: "Robin Helweg-Larsen"
> <robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Population and immigration
> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:58:13 -0400
> 
> Bob Thimblerig seems not to like immigrants to the
> United States.  

Maybe I am just evil? 

>Many native peoples might agree with him; 

What makes you think I am NOT native?

>but increasing population movements are
>a reality, world-wide, for the foreseeable future.


That's the kind of well-reasoned and well-documented
discourse I expect from Cryonet.


> So if you're not comfortable with a very mobile and
> diverse world, you might
> like to rethink plans to wake up 100 years in the
> future.

Hmm...let's paraphrase that: "tough titty."

Thanks for your well-reasoned and well-documented
commment....




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----Bob

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Message #22706
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 07:39:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Randall Burns <randall_burns@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: CryoNet #22700 - #22704

The United States already accepts more immigrants than
EU countries with a substantially larger population.

I personally find it quite plausible that we'll see
all countries starting to close their borders as the
world fills up. It isn't like the "globalism"
experiment has no detractors. I also find it quite
plausible that when space is opened up, we'll see a
tendency away from multi-national states. Globalism
and multi-national states have both been largely
driven by attempts on the part of elites to avoid wars
through economic integration.

http://www.nwc.navy.mil/newrulesets/ (more on that
topic). Stuff like 911 indicates that attempt may not
be successful. I can believe that if WW IV turns hot
(WW III being the cold war), then we'll see both some
of the advancements necesary for space travel and with
that a tendency towards re-establishment of national
or clan based states(similar to what we saw in Europe
after the breakup of the Roman empire).


--- CryoNet <owner-cryonet@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
 > Message #22702
> From: "Robin Helweg-Larsen"
> <robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Population and immigration
> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:58:13 -0400
> 
> Bob Thimblerig seems not to like immigrants to the
> United States.  Many
> native peoples might agree with him; but increasing
> population movements are
> a reality, world-wide, for the foreseeable future.
> 
> So if you're not comfortable with a very mobile and
> diverse world, you might
> like to rethink plans to wake up 100 years in the
> future.
>  

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Message #22707
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:10:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: Charles Platt <other@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: population

I hate to have to repeat myself, but those who are concerned
about overpopulation in the USA seem to be ignoring the list
of population densisites which I posted previously, showing
that many other countries (where people live seemingly happy,
reasonably prosperous lives) have more than ten times as many
inhabitants per square mile.

In this country I simply cannot see that overpopulation is a
rational issue. Of course, it remains an emotional issue, but
that's a different matter.

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