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Re: honey: msg#00305

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Subject: Re: honey

RJB: > >>Other  well-known halachot based on "mistakes": the kashrut of bee-honey
> > (when the  text meant date-honey) <<

TK: > Shimshon and Yonasan both ate bee honey.  Not a mistake,  obviously.

RJB: >>Yes, but interestingly, both were assur.  One for being eaten from
the innards of a dead non-kosher animal, the other for being eaten
in contravention of an oath.

So yes, linguistically, devash can be bee-honey, there's still no
evidence that as bee-honey, it's muttar.<<
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The evidence is what you yourself wrote -- in both cases, the honey was forbidden for a particular reason.  In neither case does ANYONE suggest that it was a problem to eat bee honey. 
 
NO ONE asks, "How could Yonasan have thought bee honey was kosher?" or "Why did Yonasan eat non-kosher honey?" 
 
It is obvious from the spontaneous actions of both Shimshon (and his parents, let's not forget) and Yonasan that they took it for granted you can eat bee honey.  I don't even know what there is to argue about. 
 
IIRC the Gemara itself says honey is mutar "migezeiras hakasuv" -- possibly contradicting other statements of Chazal which take "Eretz zavas cholov u'devash" to be referring to date honey, but nevertheless clearly understanding bee honey to be mutar.  This is not a "mistake" that somehow crept into the Gemara. 

--Toby Katz
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