Re: What is the source for the minhag of Chasidim to have HaKafos on Shmini Atzeres night?

On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 23:38:08 +1000, "SBA" <sba@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> It's not so rare., the Torah Temima's  theory about the origin of saying
> "migdol" in bentching on shabbos.. was to contrast the text of
> bentching with that in Shemu'el beis, and therefore read "besh"b
> 'migdol'".
> Somone then expanded the rashei teivos to "beShabbos" and so the minhag
> was allegedly born... the theory doesn't work because the Avudraham mentions
> the practice, and he didn't know about a future splitting of Shemu'el ..

> I am unsure how a mistaken REASON (or theory) for a minhag is the
> same as claiming that the minhag itself is based on an error.

It's not. But look again at the TT's claim. He writes that the nusach of saying 
"migdol" on Shabbos was a ta'os, based on someone misreading "bsh"b". Now, if 
the TT can say that a minhag Yisrael came from a ta'os, why couldn't minhagim 
accepted by only a few qehillos?

The fact that the TT made a history mistake is a tangent. I just couldn't cite 
his explanation without mentioning to people my problem with accepting it.

>>See the mavo to haAqov leMishor by R' Dovid Cohen for more examples. If
>>RDC does it, why can't Yaari?

> I can't find my copy of that sefer right now.
> Can you give us some of his examples?

I don't even own a copy not to find. However, I recall seeing a long list of 
ta'uyos soferim, and around 10% or so lead to differences lema'aseh. Perhaps 
someone who owns a copy can fill in the gaps in my memory.

But to repeat my thesis, minhagim, as opposed to taqanos, were practices that 
arose grass roots, and only afterward gained approval from the rabbinate. So 
why couldn't some of them have arose from errors -- as long as the rabbanim 
found a similar post-facto justification?

Gut Voch!
-mi

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