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NEW ADDRESS...Yet Again!

Dear Muriel & Mario: Remember this: In the world of commerce the ?Customer? is King. As long as you let the service provider/supplier get away with substandard services they will do it. In a world of fast-paced technological changes, there will be periodical upgrades, resulting in minor inconveniences. Can these transitions be smoother? You bet! With a bit of foresight and planning much better service can be provided. However, like most other things in Goa, there is hardly a thought put in regarding inconveniences to the public. The Goa Telecom Telephone directory is just one example, and it?s a ridiculous waste of funds and effort to issue an already defunct (outdated) phone book. As a consumer you have all the right to protest, --for you pay for this service-- and the best way to voice consumer complaints is via mass media ? the Newspapers and Internet (e-propagation) can play significant roles, to this end. Goa can be an ideal state, only if the Goan public is NOT complacent. You guys are creating awareness -- ?Awareness? being the operative work. I am glad you are sowing the seeds of awareness that will bear fruit sooner than later?- voices will be heard and progress will be made! Best wishes, Joe Vaz ??????????????????????????????. anOTHERgoa <goanet-GLn4ZrICqqk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wirtes: Date: Thu Jun 26, 2003 4:30pm Subject: [Goanet] NEW ADDRESS...Yet Again! [Dear Netters, Kindly send your messages to our NEW address: elinks-LMGfRV8PsSU@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx We have just confirmed that till 30th June, BSNL-Goa will not be redirecting mail from the oldaddress-GLn4ZrICqqk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx to the newaddress@xxxx, even though they promised to do so in a message to subscribers. Till then, can you imagine the plight of 16,000 emailers in Goa? Should we use the new one and lose mail till the 30th? Or should we wait till the 30th and risk someone using our Sancharnet account because of the open password they have sent us? This is the fifth time in six years that a change of email address is being forced on subscribers. It must be a record of sorts - especially this time without immediate forwarding facilities to the new address. BSNL in Goa is either oblivious to the chaos and tremendous hardship caused to subscribers or they just do not care! Apologies for the inconvenience. Please do not forget to use our @sancharnet.in address. Solidarity. Muriel & Mario. _________________________________________________________________ Are you a geek? Are you a techno freak? http://www.msn.co.in/Computing/ ########################################################################## # Send submissions for Goanet to goanet-fPO8gb98cCIdnm+yROfE0A@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##########################################################################

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27 JUNE 2033: GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS

GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS 27 June 2003 MAJOR LANDSLIDE AT SOCORRO: Three pedestrians had a miraculous escape when a major landslide occurred at Socorro Bobd at 7.30 am on Thursday (June 26), about 700 metres from the Panjim-Mapusa national highway. A major portion of the hill on both the sides has caved in resulting in debris, mud and boulders blocking the entire road connecting the Porvorim Highway Tisko to Socorro church. (H) CENTRE TO NUDGE INDUSTRY: The Central government will soon make it compulsory for industries to actively work to preserve the environment, Minister of State for Power Jaywantiben Mehta said yesterday. Speaking at the inaugural session of Greentech Safety Awards and a three-day conference on environmental safety organised by Delhi-based NGO Greentech Foundation at Cidade de Goa, Mehta said that her ministry also envisaged greater initiatives to maintain safe working standards in the country. (GT) PIMPS, OTHERS ON THE RUN: The police drive against anti-social elements in and around the red-light area has been hailed by the residents of Vasco. DySP Vishran Borkar and PI Mahesh Gaonkar rounded up about 50-60 persons moving suspiciously during the late hours in the red-light area of Baina in Vasco da Gama. (GT) POLICE RESCUE MINOR GIRL: Police rescued a minor girl from Ichalkaranji, Maharashtra, who had been forced into prostitution and tortured for three years in the Baina red-light area during the last three years. (GT) HC ISSUED NOTICE TO GOVT: The Panaji bench of Bombay High Court has issued notices to the State government and others on a Public Interest Litigation seeking directions in connection with the buildings constructed without adequate off-street parking facilities in Panaji. (NT) GOA DRIVES UP THE VEHICLE GRAPH: In March 1998, a total of 2,63,006 vehicles were registered in the State while estimates put this year's figures at approximately 3.75 lakh, an increase of more than 1 lakh vehicles in five years. These figures, however, do not include the floating population of vehicles that enter the State on a daily basis, transporting tourists and goods. (GT) GOVT PROVIDES RS.1 CR TO MAPUSA BANK: The State government has provided a share capital of Rs.1 crore to the Mapusa Urban Co-operative Bank yesterday. Meanwhile, the bank has decided to wind up its two branches at Canacona and Cuncolim and amalgamate these branches into its Margao branch from July 1. (NT) UGDP PARTY HEADQUARTERS: The headquarters of the United Goans Democratic Party in Margao received two party functionaries, including a Tourism Minister on Thursday evening. It was Ms Joba Majhi, the UGDP MLA in the Jharkhand Assembly holding portfolios of Tourism and Social Welfare. Accompanying her was the convenor of the party in Jharkhand, Nazam Ansari. "It was just a courtesy call to our party leadership. For us, unlike other political outfits who turn to Delhi, Goa is our party headquarters," Ansari said. (H) ESCAPE UNHURT: The driver and the cleaner of a truck loaded with coal had a miraculous escape after it came down the Chicalim slope near Pai Nursing Home on 25 June night. (NT) HYPNOSIS TO GRILL OFFENDERS: What can the police do if they face a tough prisoner who does not spill the beans during interrogation? Now they are looking at hypnosis to break the mental barriers. If a new idea becomes a reality, the cops may soon start focusing their investigations on the minds of criminals. (GT) CARAMBOLIM LAKE: The picturesque Carambolim lake which attracts exotic migratory birds wears a desolate look, even as the annual avian season is scheduled to begin in les than three months from now. The sweeping Salvinia weed engulfs a sizeable portion of the lake causing a hindrance to birds who love to make this lake their abode between October to April away from the cold northern hemisphere. (H) BAD ROADS IN BORDA: Unsatisfied with the Borda road work of the PWD engineers and other concerned authorities, the Borda Citizens Welfare Committee has decided to approach the vigilance department. (NT) CERTIFICATE FROM FF: Welcome to Velim, the home of two-time former Cuncolim MLA and eminent Freedom Fighter, Rock Santan Fernandes. He is among the handful of Freedom Fighters, whose certificate can bolster or mar the prospects of many a would be registered Freedom Fighters. (H) INTERIM MINIMUM LAND RATES: The State government has extended the date for inviting the objections and suggestions from general public over the proposed draft statement for finalization of the interim minimum land rates by another 15 days. (NT) KRC TRAIN MISHAP: Altogether 50 individuals have lost their lives in the Konkan railway accident. For some, it is the end of everything. At least three families have been wiped out in this accident. This includes the family of four of Lalloo Gabal from Nashik. For Mr and Mrs Kadam and for their newborn baby boy, the special train journey proved to be "the end". All three died in the ill-fated train accident. The third is Gauns family, husband, wife and two children from Imbrahmpur, Pernem. (H) ADMISSIONS TO PROFESSIONAL COLLEGES: Over 1500 students are trying to seek admissions to five professional colleges in the State, having a total seat capacity of 940. Like previous years the rush is for engineering course, which has 810 seats in three colleges. (NT) FRIDAY BALCAO: Friday Balcao, the fortnightly discussion event to be held on June 27, at Goa DESC, Mapusa at 4 pm, will feature the topics, should the government ban ragging in colleges. BHAJIYA FESTIVAL: Ice N Spice of Hotel Delmon has welcome the monsoons by celebrating Bhajiya Festival. On offer are various types of bhajiyas including the local Kanda Bhajim and mirchi. Other varieties include moon dal bhajiyas, ajwain and patra bhajiyas from Gujarat, Rajasthani mirchi, pancher pakoda from Utter Pradesh and bondas from South. (H) S P O R T S NO GOAN IN JUNIOR TEAM: Twenty-eight footballers hold the key to the success of Indian football in five to seven years time. But no Goan footballers could fit into the 28 footballers, who would figure in the Indian under-18 team gearing for the Milk Cup in Ireland. Three Goans, Welsey D'Costa, Santan Fernandes and Bevan D'Mello, have not found favour with the selectors. Most of the footballers have been drawn from last year's under-17 Indian team. The third phase of the game is due to start in Goa from June 28. (H) PY NUVEM IN FINAL: Parish Youth, Nuvem, scored a well-deserving 3-1 win over Dando Boys, Colva, to enter the finals of the Alvernaz Alemao memorial football tournament in Benaulim. (H) D E A T H S 26 June: Margao-Mesta Bhatt: JOSE PEREIRA, husband of Rosy, father of Jude/Silvana, Ben/Melinda, Suzie/Xavier and Steve. 26 June: Taleigao: ANAND R PAI (86), husband of Premabai, father of Manohar/Medha, late Shradha/Shashikant Thali, Bharati/Mahesh Kaisari and Pratibha/Umesh Sakhardande. 26 June: Reis Magos: KALINI RAMCHANDRA MAYEKAR, wife of Ramchandra (Sarpanch of Reis Magos). G O A W E A T H E R Temp: 26.5 deg C (79.7 deg F) at 08.00 am in Assagao. Max Temp: 31.1 deg C, Min Temp: 22.8 deg C; Humidity: 97% (Official figures for yesterday) Rainfall so far: 726.8 mm Weather: The morning is quite bright with sunlight in patches. It seems to rain mostly in the evening. Courtesy: H=Herald, NT=The Navhind Times, GT= Gomantak Times JOEL D'SOUZA, Assagao-Goa-India. 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Re: Konkani lessons in the GTA

Eugene Correia goanet-GLn4ZrICqqk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Writes: Joe Vaz finds no problem with the Konkani Tim de Mello wrote. That's the real problem with Konkani, particularly between the spoken Konkani and the written Konkani. Don't we normally say: Tuka dev borem korun" instead of the other way. Or, just "Dev borem korun." Literal Konkani has some form. One of the accusations from anti-Konkani people is that Konkani lacks formal grammar. But Konkani scholars have proved this wrong. To each his own Konkani.> Peace, Eugene< ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sure, I don?t have any problem with the Konkani Tim de Mello wrote (except for the misspelled words). There is no problem in saying: ?Dev borem korum, tuka ani tuje familik.? or ?Tuka and tujea familik dev borem korum.? Just as one may say: ?Thanks, to you and your family? or ?To you and your family ?thank you (all).? The primary purpose of any language is to communicate, and as long as one person understands the other ?that purpose will have been served. Tim?s version of ?Thank you? has done just that. Unless of course if Tim is venturing to write a textbook in Konkani, which may warrant the critique. :) I am bemused how a couple words of Konkani can create such a ruckus among Goa-netters. Assuming that Eugene lives abroad, I wonder if he knows the "Konkani" taught in Goa schools? If we want to learn/speak the official Konkani we will have to learn it the way it is introduced/taught now in schools. Best Wishes, Joe Vaz _________________________________________________________________ Feeling lost and loneyl? Need a little astro guidance? http://www.msn.co.in/Astrology/ ########################################################################## # Send submissions for Goanet to goanet-fPO8gb98cCIdnm+yROfE0A@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##########################################################################

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Re: Konkani lessons in the GTA

Joe vaz writes: > > The primary purpose of any language is to > communicate, and as long as one > person understands the other ?that purpose will have > been served. Tim?s > version of ?Thank you? has done just that. Unless of > course if Tim is > venturing to write a textbook in Konkani, which may > warrant the critique. :) > > I am bemused how a couple words of Konkani can > create such a ruckus among > Goa-netters. Assuming that Eugene lives abroad, I > wonder if he knows the > "Konkani" taught in Goa schools? If we want to > learn/speak the official > Konkani we will have to learn it the way it is > introduced/taught now in > schools. > > Best Wishes, > > Joe Vaz --- I do live abroad, but as I explained in my earlier post that I had the opportunity to read every week Konkani papers. When I was growing up we used to get Udentechem Nektr, published by the Archidioese of Bombay and edited by Mgr. Ayres Fernandes, who was at my parish of St. Francis Xavier, Dabul. Mgr. Fernandes was influenced by Prof. Joaquim Antonio Fernandes who taught Konkani at the Parel seminary. I too came under the learned professor's influence when I was a young man. I often met the professor at the Ave Maria newspaper office and I was a good listener to the discussion he conducted with people who normally used to drop in the newspaper's office. I often asked him questions and he was patient enought to reply. He encouraged me to write in Konkani. I tried and with a mixture of Konkani and English I submitted some pieces to Goa Times and Ave Maria. However, they were rigorously edited and published in Konkani. I was pleased. I was even invited to be member of the Konkani Bhasha Mandal, but I refused saying that I am not a Konkani writer. Prof. Fernandes lived in the Padamsee Bldg on Princess St, not far from Ave Maria press which was next to the Our Lady of Doloures Church in Dhobitalao. Even the well-known Konkani writer Fr. Antonio Pereira has acknowledged that his Konkani writing has been influenced by the professor. Also Fr. Morena de Souza. Prof. Fernandes and Valavlikar were friends. I have his books, Poilem Konknni PustoK and Dusrem Konknni Pustok. Besides, I also have his other book on how to write Konkani called Konknni Nad-Xastr (Konkani Phonetics). Modern scholars have dismissed this book was lacking in methodology. It has just 77 pages. He left lot of notes and other literary writings. After his death, I talked to his daughter to get them published. She informed that her brother has them. I told her that to donate to an institution or something for use by future scholars. I felt they were selfish. I think his writings are lost forever for those who would have benefitted from them. For Vaz, language, as long as it's understood, is matter of no concern if spoken the right way or wrong. When someone asks you, "Tujem nanv kitem" I believe you would reply, "Joe Vaz mujem navn". I did understand the reply and, going by your standards, that's all matters, thank you. One good book to start with is Let's Learn Konkani, by S. J. Borkar, which Jorge has also mentioned. I have also gone through Konkani Vyakaran by Pro. R.k. Rao, and Konkani Self Teacher by Mohan D. Karapurkar, whose blurb says, "a perfect guide to learn Konkanni )dv-nagri and Roman) through english vice-versa." Mind you, no ruckus was created. Any debate discussion is good for the health of this forum or it will die from idleness. As long as we show courtesy and not indulge in name-calling or hitting someone below the belt, discussions should be welcomed. I often wish I was young again to go to Goa schools and learn the language. I struggle to read the devnagri script as I studied Hindi and Marathi in school. To keep my touch with Hindi I used to borrow Hindi mags from the library. But that was more than 10 years ago. Now I pick up the Hindi language paper called Hindi Times and another Hindi/English paper, Hello Canada, to read. But it's a painful exercise to get familiar again with Hindi. Joe, no personal offence meant. Just a long-winded info. Eugene Correia __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ########################################################################## # Send submissions for Goanet to goanet-fPO8gb98cCIdnm+yROfE0A@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##########################################################################