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Re: What to do if you find that you did business with a spammer?: msg#00047

culture.hackers.israel

Subject: Re: What to do if you find that you did business with a spammer?


On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, Omer Zak wrote:

> Recently I got spam E-mail advertising service provided by a company
> (which I'll leave nameless for now), with whom I almost subcontracted
> few months ago to do a project for them.
>
> This raises the following questions of principle:
> Suppose you do subcontract work for a company.Then you find that you
> and other people got spam from that same company.
> 1. Would this tarnish your own reputation by your being associated with
> the spammer?

with idiot people it might have. on the other hand, the social-awareness
of anti-spam people seems to be higher then the average (just my
non-methodological observations) - so they'll probably be able to
diss-associate you from that company.

> 2. Assuming that you do not mind the loss of contracted for payment,
> what is involved in stopping work for them immediately?

my _guess_ is you'll have to add such a clause in your future contracts,
to be able to do that ;)

since spamming is not yet illegal in israel (it isn't, right?) - i don't
think you have a good legal case here.

> 3. If you are employee of a company which turns out to be spammer, can
> you resign and demand severance pay (your employment conditions
> deteriorated because your neighbors and friends are upset with you)?

just have an 'auto-severance payment' clause in your contract (based on
some law that sais it can be done, and then you get severance payment even
if your resign, unless you performed some criminal act or something
similar. it has a down side - you'll not get higher severance pay if your
salary raised - each year the employer puts money based on your
then-current salary in the kupat gemel/bituah menahalim, and you'll always
get just what was accumulated there - no matter if you resign or are
fired).

> It seems that future contracts would need to contain a clause promising
> that neither side would engage in spamming, even if they are not
> directly related to Internet service provision.

what if they perform an illegal act? what if their sales people lie to
customers about their products? what if they constantly deliver
lousy products and in great delay? spamming is only one thing they can do
that might reflect on you...

--
guy

"For world domination - press 1,
or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator." -- nob o. dy


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