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and back to you on the stuff.: msg#00010

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Subject: and back to you on the stuff.

Colin,
This will be a brief answer, as I am currently challenged with
different things in my life, where I desire to spend most of my
energy.
I guess that if you have decided to develop a monastic order, what I
will say next won't be very relevant: serial killer is maybe a bit
extreme, and this is not what I had in mind. How about someone
believing that something would be good for the group and putting all
its effort to do and some members of the group believing that it is
not good for the group - you then have a conflict of belief system
and the next question is who is 'right'...
And this is the entire issue of this society, some people believe
they are right and the others wrong and vise versa - this is in the
political aspect, in the religious aspect of this society just to
name a few and now yours...
I allow myself to repeat that what ever you resist will persist...

Anarchy: A state of lawlessness and disorder (usually resulting from
a failure of government)
Capitalism : An economic system based on private ownership of capital
So anarcho-capitalism = A lawless and disordered economic system
based on private ownership of capital or an economic system based on
lawless and disordered private ownership of capital? Which one feels
more right to you?
None of them to me.
Money (as what it is, just a medium of exchange) has always existed -
it used to be grain, it might even have been stones at some stage.
Even 5 thousend years ago, people died of hunger because they did not
have enough of it. So it may look green or yellow, it makes no
difference. Also, it has been here for so long that I am curious to
know how you actually plan to get people to change their minds on the
importance of it.
I personally welcome money for the great opportunity it offers me.
With it here is what one can create and use in the way society
currently works:
http://www.seventhgeneration.com/ (which is there to re-create and
protect the ecosystem, just like Burt's Bees, just to name an other
one. Without money those guys could not do what they do...)
And as I believe it is not likely to change, I am embracing it and I
love it for the freedom it gives me to create on a massive scale what
I believe my mission is on this planet...
I know that money can be used for so called bad things (I say 'so
called' because I believe that everything is perfect the way it is
and with that, there can be no right or wrong and no good and bad.) -
and the question is then - is the money bad or is the person behind
the money bad? ...
Oh and I just read through Orion's note, and I also can see how it
could be re-thought and I agree with the statement "the greatest
failing of communism was discrediting all other alternatives" - And
it also failed because the human greed is still there and that some
people were 'more equal' than others and had better apartements or
incentives - I experienced what was called East Berlin - and it was
not rosy...

On another note here something that you might not of interest, though
maybe not directly related to the above.
http://www.seventhgeneration.com/page.asp?id=1413
http://www.slowfood.com/

More regarding the monastic order - it made me think of my Vipassana
meditations (If you are not familiar http://www.dhamma.org/) to some
extend. I know for sure that I would not join such orders.
Also I wonder about what is the source of your ideas? What fuels it?
I have a feeling of anti-something and the society is what comes
easier to go against... what are you angry at? Just a thought, maybe
I am just putting my current challenges into it and my mind might be
clouded.
I do see that society is not as efficient as it could be, and I
believe that this is based on a way of thinking dating back over 100
years ago, where you had to go to school, get good grades to get a
good job and then be a success. We have forgotten people's soul and
what is most important to each of them. We all seek to live a happy
pleasant life, and our views of it often differs and if people are
given the choice, they will choose what is best for them and others
around them. I also see that there are people out there dying of
hunger and thirst and sickness and I believe that we can change that -
not by fighting against it (here the key word is against - and I
will repeat myself with what ever you resist will persist), more by
re-aligning.

I have spent more time on this email than originally planned. I hope
that I have not rambled off too much, and I am not re-reading it - so
apologies if some stuff does not seem to make sense to you.

Sandrine


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