Re: Babies and birth control; ecology & biology 101

Colin, 

I believe this idea to be contradictory with the two following 
statement: 
* statement 1: "reward those whose actions most benefit the group 
while shunning those individuals whose actions benefit the individual 
at the expense of the group" 
* statement 2:"the most important thing one can learn is that no one 
is better at deciding what is best for one than one's self."

If the most important thing one can learn is than no one is better at 
deciding what is best for one, then how comes that one person or an 
entire group would actually judge the actions of someone and 
therefore accept or shun that person based on some belief systems?

I look forward to your answer.
Hope you are well in DC. 

I am currently challenged with my past having been brought back to 
life both because of my mother's visit and the reading of a book from 
Judith Herman abouth the aftermath of violence (from domestic abuse 
to political terror). I will share more when I will be at peace with 
it.

Take care for now.

Sandrine


--- In OurCultureOurCapitol@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Colin Leath 
<cleath@xxxx> wrote:
> (post originally inspired by discussion on:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EcoVillage-Belize/
> it's also relevant to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OurCultureOurCapitol/
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/itpnyc/
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ishmael-dc/
> )
> 
> I'm thinking of staying in the states and working on
> starting a new cult/religion.
> 
> Its basic ethos will be to reward those whose actions most
> benefit the group while shunning those individuals whose
> actions benefit the individual at the expense of the group.
> 
> Where "the group" consists of all living things.
> 
> To avoid cultishness, the primary tenet, beyond the ethos,
> will be: the most important thing one can learn is that no
> one is better at deciding what is best for one than one's
> self. To put it another way, one's most basic freedom is the
> freedom to choose where to focus one's attention.
> 
> The members of my cult will consist of humans who consider
> their tribe to be "all living things."
> 
> Given the present state of our tribe, we are aware that we
> need to be more evangelical than the most evangelical
> religions that have preceded us. In a few years, you will
> not be able to walk five blocks down an NYC
> sidewalk without encountering one of us encouraging you to
> join our tribe. Whether you live in the suburbs of Virgina
> or the wilds of Belize, you will soon get to know the local
> missionaries of our tribe.
> 
> One reason that we must be so evangelical is that humans are
> at present the single greatest threat to well-being of our
> tribe. We will be leaders in encouraging humans of all
> ethnicities & every social status to focus their care on the
> billions of children (young and older--that means you)
> already in the world, rather than giving birth to new human
> children. In other words, we don't have the easy means of
> growing our cult available to most other cults: biological
> reproduction.
> 
> Why would anyone join this cult of humans that consider
> themselves a member of the tribe all living things, and
> relinquish the more commonly accepted human activites that
> include things like biological parenthood, officework, and
> car use?
> 
> Good question-
> 
> But when you meet our missionaries and see how healthy and
> radiant they are and how much those on their path exude
> meaning and fulfillment-
> 
> And when you see where we meet- in oaises of fruit & nut
> trees, among plants & animals of all kinds, whether we're in
> the heart of NYC (we'll construct a biosphere if we must) or
> in the Serengeti.
> 
> And when you see how we live--
> 
> And when you see how we meet-
> 
> I imagine our meetings will be run-throughs of our personal
> practices. They will be integral- engaging all parts of
> ourselves and our relationship with the natural world.
> Some song, creative movement, Quaker meeting, flora & fauna
> communion, transformational imaging. It won't be all
> gleeful- some of our members will be researching the
> greatest atrocities and dangers facing our tribe, and we
> will focus our attention there-- But they will also focus on
> our successes.
> 
> 
> Do let me know if you'd like to make this happen!
> 
> 
> Colin
> http://j9k.org
> 
> 
> To the members of OurCultureOurCapitol: this list and its
> archives are now available on gmane.org!
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culture-capitol
> 
> The ethos was inspired by/taken verbatim from Derrick
> Jensen's _A language older than words_ and Brian Czech
> (author of _Shoveling Fuel for a Runaway Train: Errant
> Economics, Shameful Spenders, and a Plan to Stop Them All_
> and http://www.steadystate.org)


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