Re: New immigration plan breaks with White House

I agree that clinton was also a criminal; however, when your house 
is on fire, that is not the time to castigate your son for leaving 
the toilet seat up.

--- In cia-drugs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Michael Donovan" <michael1@xxxx> 
wrote:
>
> Mark,
> I fully understand your agitation with Jim under the 
circumstances.  But, I see something greater happening.  The 
Internet is just starting to have effect on politics.  It takes 
awhile for the information to build up.  It is like a wave building 
to a crest where it forms a white cap.  Therefore what some would 
consider side issues, as all information builds up, can have gold in 
it too.  Now as Marc Rich is brought into the picture things do go 
back into the Clinton era. Good, shows long time cabal.  The 
immagration issue is big in some areas of the country.  Eventually 
some dots will connect there as well.  This is why the next few 
months are important.  Is this a full wave cresting, or just 
another 'fixable' Watergate.
> Michael Donovan.
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: mark urban 
>   To: cia-drugs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>   Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:14 AM
>   Subject: [cia-drugs] Re: New immigration plan breaks with White 
House
> 
> 
>   Jim,
> 
>   You are again manning the Maginot line with the pent up ferocity 
of
>   a geriatric saber rattler.
> 
>   Why are you worried about terrorists among the wetbacks when 
some of 
>   the alleged perps of the 911 attacks attended military colleges 
as 
>   the guests of our government?
> 
>   How about the US business visas granted to terrorists in Riyadh 
by 
>   the US embassy at the request of the CIA.(Michael Springman INTO 
THE 
>   BUZZSAW)?  
> 
>   Wasn't Osama at the Redstone Arsenal under the name Tim Osman?
> 
>   Why is it that in the face of some of the most blatant political 
>   crimes ever you still focus on minor crap and recrimination of 
the 
>   Clinton regime (out of power some five years now!!)?
> 
>   Jim, let me know, when you can, of course, how Osama brought 
down 
>   WTC7. 'Cause that just takes the cake as far as I am concerned.
> 
> 
> 
>   --- In cia-drugs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Jim Rarey" <jimrarey@xxxx> 
wrote:
>   >
>   > http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/print?id=1249471
>   > 
>   > They are determined to leave the more than eleven million 
illegals 
>   in the country whether they are cheap labor and/or sleeper 
>   terrorists. - JR
>   > 
>   > New immigration plan breaks with White House
>   > Reuters
>   > WASHINGTON - An influential Republican Senator introduced 
>   legislation on Tuesday that would allow many of the estimated 8 
>   million to 12 million illegal aliens in the United States to 
>   eventually gain legal status, in a proposal that broke with the 
Bush 
>   administration.
>   > 
>   > Nebraska senator Chuck Hagel, who is considering running for 
>   president in 2008, put forward four separate bills to address 
border 
>   security, employment security, create a guest worker program and 
>   encourage those in the country illegally to apply for legal 
status.
>   > 
>   > "Immigration reform is an urgent national security priority. 
We 
>   cannot continue to defer making tough choices about our nation's 
>   immigration policy. It is not in our interest to have 8- to 12-
>   million people undocumented and unaccounted for in our country," 
he 
>   said.
>   > 
>   > Hagel's bills represent the third major proposal making the 
rounds 
>   in Congress. Additionally, the Bush administration has been 
fleshing 
>   out its own plan, under which illegal immigrants and foreigners 
>   could apply under a guest worker program to work in the United 
>   States for up to six years. After that, they would have to 
return 
>   home.
>   > 
>   > Shortly after Hagel presented his legislation, Senate Majority 
>   Leader Bill Frist met with Sens. John McCain of Arizona and Sen. 
>   John Cornyn of Texas, sponsors of the two rival bills, and 
agreed to 
>   take up immigration legislation early next year.
>   > 
>   > Frist said they would start with border enforcement where 
there 
>   was a lot of agreement among lawmakers, and then try to move 
beyond 
>   that to deal with the millions of illegal immigrants living in 
the 
>   United States.
>   > 
>   > All the bills that have been put forward include measures to 
>   enhance border security and create some form of guest worker 
>   program. But they differ on the key points of how and whether 
>   illegal aliens could eventually gain citizenship.
>   > 
>   > Nobody knows exactly how many people are in the country 
illegally. 
>   The 2000 Census estimated the number at 8.7 million and said it 
was 
>   growing by half a million a year. Others put the number much 
higher.
>   > 
>   > But the fact that hundreds of thousands of people continue to 
>   cross the Mexican border each year is fast becoming a major 
>   political and security issue.
>   > 
>   > In a CBS poll this week, just over half of respondents 
disapproved 
>   of the way President George W. Bush was dealing with 
immigration; 21 
>   percent said they approved, and 26 percent said they did not 
know.
>   > 
>   > Three-quarters all respondents said they did not think the 
United 
>   States was doing enough along its borders to keep illegal 
immigrants 
>   from entering the country.
>   > 
>   > Under Hagel's proposal, illegal aliens who had been in the 
country 
>   for at least five years and had worked three of them could pay a 
>   $2,000 fine and apply for permanent legal status which they 
could 
>   get eight years later.
>   > 
>   > But Hagel acknowledged that immigration divided Republicans 
and 
>   might be difficult to move forward in the runup to what is 
expected 
>   to be tight and bitter election campaign to control Congress 
next 
>   year.
>   > 
>   > 
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>   redistributed.
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>   > Copyright © 2005 ABC News Internet Ventures
>   >
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> 
>   OM
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