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--- Eco Man <tents444@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/12/9/171831/355
>
> Slavery as it existed in the South was not an
> adversarial relationship with pervasive racial
> animosity. Because of its dominantly patriarchal
> character, it was a relationship based upon mutual
> affection and confidence...
> ...Slave life was to them a life of plenty, of
> simple pleasures, of food, clothes, and good medical
> care.
Dear Eco Man,
I have a lot of respect for all your opinions, and you
may remember that I lived in Alabama and Louisiana,
and was flabbergasted by their racism.
BUT I agree that what the book teaches is true.
Because the north (the Union) did NOT give a shit
about the slaves- they just wanted to gain control of
the food-producing lands of the south, and to gain the
slaves' support, they set up the war as a thing to
'free blacks'. BS! The north people were even MORE
racists than the southern whites, and STILL are! Not
just the whites, but the blacks as well. You should
have seen me in Little Jamaica, NYC, in 1988. They
looked like they wanted to murder me for walking there
and smiling at them!! I had to begin talking like a
Medellin narc to get them off my back.
When my 2 black roommates took me to a party, all the
black young men ran to see what they could get- and
the girls looked like they wanted to murder me. I
ended up smoking dope with the true 'Jamaican' of the
neighborhood- who know what we Maracuchos are made of!
(this problem was caused by the fame of white girls
who like black men as 'whores')
BY the way, I am writing up a play called "Maracuchos
in Mississippi" based on a group of us who lived in
Alabama, a few of whom were super-rich, but looked
down upon by the Alabama white kids (who were all my
students, and all older than me). When once we
mentioned that ---'s father owned more than 100,000
heads of cattle, the white trash almost fainted! The
play also tells the story of this city, which was
designed as capital city for the Great Colombia, but
destroyed by oil which came here over 100 yrs ago.
It includes a lot about the Alabama guys begging us to
bring some pure coke to them.
And one of those, whom even I considered ugly, was
very wealthy here (he just went to visit, because he
was bored), and won Mr. Venezuela, then Mr. World, and
is now a big-time model with Armani in NYC. He was
stupid, but the Alabamians were more like cattle! And
I mean ALL of them. I did not meet a single person
there who knew anything of the REAL world, but they
were nicer than the Louisiana racists, who were just
as ignorant of the world.
The play specifically says that only trashy, poor
people become racists, when they believe they deserve
something more than someone else. And its basis are 2
couples in love: a black man with a white woman, and
vice versa. It also examines the obssession of young
men in the south with firearms, while a Maracucho can
handle food AND defend himself with a Machete. Plus,
the men here have real Machetes, not the
Viagra-needing thingies in Alabama (not that I ever
saw one, but I hear that only Irish and Italian white
men have any useful ones?).
What I mention here is an important part of the play,
since its true that this city has more per capita/per
night sex than any other place (other countries). It
also tries to show that pollution and wealth has hurt
the sexual vitality of all developed nations. Birth
COntrol also hurts, but this really takes more than
2-3 generations.
Oh, and the play has a young man who is a fanatic of
Malcolm X, and wants to defend blacks in the USA at
all costs... but he had a Turk ancestor who cut off
heads in Africa while catching slaves, so the blacks
want to hit him. He's small, but ends up smashing
about 5 gigantic black men against the floor with
martial arts techniques. This is a true story of my
husband's ancenstry and beliefs, though he has never
beat up black men. He rather was with 4 of them all
the time- his uncles, all dead on the street now for
over 10 years. They were used by the USA government to
smuggle weapons to the Colombian guerrilla.
Vanessa Di Domenico
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Anti-U.S. factions replacing old regimes across Latin America
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/12214423.htm
Anti-U.S. factions replacing old regimes across Latin
AmericaLong-time ruling parties are losing their power throughout Latin
America as small, often anti-U.S. factions take their place.BY MAXWELL J.
HAMILTONmhamilton@xxxxxxxxxx
Their names are instantly recognizable as some of Latin America's long-time
ruling political parties. Yet these days, they control no presidential palaces,
no legislatures.
Across Latin America, voters are shunning traditional ruling parties that
brought too little progress and too much corruption, and backing new factions
that analysts fear may only add to the region's instability.
Venezuela's once-ruling COPEI, which held 58 congress seats in 1988, now
holds six. Peru's APRA had 107 seats in 1985, and 28 today. And Uruguay,
dominated by only two parties for most of the 20th century, is now ruled by a
coalition of leftist parties that never held power before.
And as the old parties crumble, new factions -- often with populist,
anti-U.S. agendas and so small that they call themselves ''movements'' rather
than parties -- are offering to meet voters' demands for more jobs, higher
salaries and better education systems.
Traditional parties 'failed to deliver peoples' basic demands,'' said
Christopher Sabatini, a Latin American expert with the National Endowment for
Democracy, a U.S. group that seeks to strengthen democracy around the world.
Sergio Calderon, a former secretary general of COPEI, which alternated power
in Venezuela with Democratic Action from 1958 to 1998, agreed. ''The majority of
leaders run the party for themselves and not for the people,'' Calderon
said.
NOT ALL NEGATIVE
The picture is not all negative for either traditional or new parties. The
Peronists still rule in Argentina, and in Mexico the Revolutionary Institutional
Party, ousted in 2000 after 71 years in power, fared well in recent state
elections. And former guerrilla factions in El Salvador and Colombia have
morphed into political parties, adding to the stability there.
But the shift from the old to the new parties has been accompanied by much
political instability, including violent street protests against the old order,
high turnover of those in power and even breaks with the democratic system.
In Bolivia, street protests forced the resignation of two presidents in the
last two years -- Gonzalo Sánchez de Lozada in 2003 and Carlos Mesa in April,
both members of the dominant party, the Nationalist Revolutionary Movement,
since 1952.
The crisis appears to have given added strength to relative newcomers like
the Movement Towards Socialism headed by Evo Morales, a leftist who leads a coca
growers' union and finished second in the 2002 presidential elections.
Traditional parties ''had a good long run . . . but now they are not in
control of Bolivia's grass-roots movement,'' said John Walsh, an analyst with
the Washington Office on Latin America, a liberal think tank.
And in Venezuela, President Hugo Chávez and his Fifth Republic Movement,
elected in 1998 on a vow to stop mismanagement and corruption by the COPEI and
Democratic Action governments, has been accused of seizing control of the
electoral and judicial systems and intimidating the media.
The small new political factions ''are creating an environment where
elections are no longer the only legitimate route to power,'' said Howard
Wiarda, a Latin American expert at the Center for Strategic and International
Studies, a moderate think tank in Washington.
The decline of the traditional parties began during a debt crisis that swept
Latin America in the 1980s and 90s, academics say, as voters punished
governments that did not handle the crises effectively.
EFFECT OF OIL BOOM
In Venezuela, for example, the right-of-center COPEI and left-of-center
Democratic Action alternated power since 1958 under a written agreement, the
Pact of Punto Fijo, that offered political stability amid the oil boom of the
1970s but excluded other political factions.
But the country began a steep economic decline at the end of the oil boom in
1979. And when then-President Carlos Andrés Pérez and his Democratic Action
party issued a draconian set of belt-tightening measures in 1989, massive street
protests known as El Caracazo erupted and left an estimated 3,000
dead.
Chávez, then an army lieutenant colonel, led a failed coup attempt against
Pérez in 1992, and since his election in 1998, both COPEI and Democratic Action
have lost virtually all power through a combination of poor internal decisions
and harsh pressures from the president.
''The Chávez government has created a scheme that does not consider political
parties,'' said Pastor Heydra, a former information minister for Democratic
Action.
The story is similar in Peru, where APRA, the country's most powerful party
since 1924, began to lose support in the late 1980s after then-President Alan
García initiated a populist program that devastated the Peruvian economy.
Inflation soared to four-digit levels.
RISE OF FUJIMORI
Riding the wave of discontent, a little-known political outsider named
Alberto Fujimori defeated APRA's Mario Vargas Llosa in the 1990 elections -- and
then systematically all but destroyed Peru's democratic institutions over the
next decade.
''Fujimori is a consequence of García's government,'' said Guillermo
Gonzáles, the former chief of staff for current Peruvian President Alejandro
Toledo.
Not all setbacks for long-ruling parties have had such negative
consequences.
In Mexico, President Vicente Fox and his relatively young National Action
Party broke the hold on power that the PRI had since 1934. In Brazil, Luiz
Inácio Lula da Silva and his leftist Workers Party, three-time losers in
presidential elections, finally won in 2002. Uruguayans, long ruled by the
center-left Colorado and center-right Blanco parties, elected the
leftist Tabaré Vasquez last year on his third try at the presidency.
And in Colombia, President Alvaro Uribe, a long-time stalwart in the Liberal
party that alternated power with the Conservative Party for much of the 20th
Century, chose to run in 2002 as an officially independent candidate to appeal
across party lines.
Scholars and politicians have differing opinions on the impact of the
breakdown of traditional parties and the rise of smaller new factions.
Traditional parties tended to be more ideological, either left or right, and
left a big gap in the middle, Sabatini said. ''On the whole, this is better.
There is reduced polarization between right and left,'' he added.
But traditional party leaders argue that their organizations can bring
decades of experience and a preference for stability to government -- if voters
return them to power.
`ALTERNATIVE NEEDED'
''Political parties need to begin a process of reflection in response to this
phenomenon,'' Heydra said. ``We need to develop an alternative message that is
different from what we have expressed in the past.''
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Re: Crackdown on Christianist schools. Onward Christian Soldiers. Drug war.
Vanessa Di Domenico wrote:
--- Eco Man <tents444@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/12/9/171831/355
>
> Slavery as it existed in the South was not an
> adversarial relationship with pervasive racial
> animosity. Because of its dominantly patriarchal
> character, it was a relationship based upon mutual
> affection and confidence...
> ...Slave life was to them a life of plenty, of
> simple pleasures, of food, clothes, and good medical
> care.
Dear Eco Man, [eco man did not say the above!]
I have a lot of respect for all your opinions, and you
may remember that I lived in Alabama and Louisiana,
and was flabbergasted by their racism.
BUT I agree that what the book teaches is true.
Because the north (the Union) did NOT give a shit
about the slaves- they just wanted to gain control of
the food-producing lands of the south
And what was the real game then?
The Civil War was like Old Money raising interest rates
in 1999 to bankrupt New Money, then buy up new
venture capitalists at cheap prices as intellectual
chattel, installing banana republican Bush before anyone
figured out that the anti-dot-commie McCarthyist
witch-hunt was a sham by the anti-dot-commie multi
billion-dollar Enronistas, Worldcom, Global Crossing,
Glaxo bubble bandits. By that, I mean that the northern
"robber barons" and slave traders prevented the south
from industrializing until it was needed in WW2. Slavery
was part of an obsolete model of agriculture which was
being peacefully pushed out by northern free-labor
methods, in part due to the advent of machines, which
continued to revolutionize agriculture for another hundred
years. In northern Virginia the slavery model was pushed out
by free-labor methods, or else Pennsylvania farmers would
come down and take the business over--this was happening
to a degree(a friend of mine's father, Mayo Stuntz, did the
research and used it in a book he wrote).
It was a dangerous game because the northern oligarchy
could have lost its southern colony to England if the
Civil War had not been "won". There was no agricultural
dependency for food, as you may have implied, but for
raw materials like cotton and iron and coal, yes, and
the south knew how to smelt iron and manufacturer
iron products in Birmingham. It is a favorite northern
prejudice to say the whole south preferred agriculture,
maybe you heard that, but in fact, until WW2, it cost
more to dig iron and coal near Birmingham, make
iron or steel, manufacturer anything, and ship it
from one side of Birmingham to the other, than to
ship the same iron ore and coal to New England and
ship the product back and sell it, entirely due to the
discriminatory freight rates. I have a Supreme Court
brief and a freight rate book, from my father's research
in economics, which he taught at university level.
Only the legislature of South Carolina was dominated
by slavers, but the same people worked both sides
with their exagerated, caricature Mazzini gangers
and the Dred Scott Decision hyperbole, all quite
ridiculous and impossible to bear, framing the
issues to divide the cannon fodder into two roughly
equal camps as they always do.
Both north and south deserved to be bled, because
the north had brought slaves to South Carolina in
the first place, continued to bring them and hired
abolitionist judas goats(taking over a legitimate
issue) with the profits from owning slave ships,
loaning money to buy slave ships, insuring the
cargos, and trading derivatives based on slaves
in transit.
Stonewall Jackson's chief of staff was a presbyterian
minister named Charles Dabney. Dabney's books are
prescient forecasting the issues of the twentieth
century, really good in some chapters, but in others,
he does not apply the same logical process he did
in the rest of the book. When talking about slavery,
Dabney does not use the same method of thought,
and ignores biblical law, which says kidnappers
shall not inherit the kingdom of God, and defines
as kidnapping a slavery with a term longer than
seven years--indenturement was the only forced
labor not classified as the capital crime of kidnapping.
Dabney neglected to explain that there was no
involuntary servitude longer than seven years
excused by the bible, and then the Dred Scott
Decision said that not only was chattel slavery
without term limit, so it was kidnapping, punishable
by death(without a constitutional amendment,
something southerners love to weasel about), and
"kidnappers shall not inherit the kingdom of God".
As usual, God clonked the heads of two evildoers
together, making them both pay for the kidnapping
they had done in His name.
,
and to gain the
slaves' support, they set up the war as a thing to
'free blacks'. BS!
The British did that in the American Revolutionary
War, and black guerrilla fighters were every bit
as successful as Swamp Fox Marion and southern
civil war hero Mosby the Grey Ghost. But you will
generally only see a TV series or movie for children
based on the white guys. There is some excellent
history now on satellite TV and it tells the story
of the black men used by the Brits to drag on
the American revolutionaries, and it shows how
some of the masses yearning to be free already
lived on this side of the water and because whites
kept ignoring and suppressing the black drive
for freedom and equality and justice, including
the first Vietnam in which Andy Jackson chased
black guerrillas around the swamp in Florida,
as he also chased the Seminoles, and the first
American killed in the American Revolution
being black, the Civil War, Jim Crow, KKK,
lynchings up into the 20th century, Eisenhower
calling out the Airborne to suppress the national
guard called out by a southern governor to
prevent school integration, and the party of
JFK, the Democrats, failing to vote for Democrat
Lyndon Johnson's civil rights bill of 1965, it's
a long sad display of lawless, terrorist, anti-freedom,
and it did not end in 1965, it only went overseas,
to latin america and Vietnam and now we can
send the KKK lynch mob to Iraq, high on their
southern white trash delusions of grandeur,
intoxicated enough to do the bidding of the
MKULTRA Mazzini mercenary masters, masters
of their own profit on both sides in every war.
The north people were even MORE
racists than the southern whites, and STILL are!
My grandmother went south from Chicago,
and the presbyterian minister told her that
if she voted Republican, they would tear up
her ballot. But she would say "nigra", possibly
the Chicago variant, with a tone of voice
evincing classic northern racism. Her
grandfather had been a Chicago mayor,
installed by fiat after a Democrat won an
election without being invited by the financial
oligarchy to run for office. They let him run,
but when he won, they aced him like Coup 2K.
Not
just the whites, but the blacks as well. You should
have seen me in Little Jamaica, NYC, in 1988. They
looked like they wanted to murder me for walking there
and smiling at them!! I had to begin talking like a
Medellin narc to get them off my back.
When my 2 black roommates took me to a party, all the
black young men ran to see what they could get- and
the girls looked like they wanted to murder me. I
ended up smoking dope with the true 'Jamaican' of the
neighborhood- who know what we Maracuchos are made of!
(this problem was caused by the fame of white girls
who like black men as 'whores')
I had a friend in Brooklyn whose father and
mother worked at the Jamaican embassy, he
was an architect, and he ran a few loads of
weed around town for the bad boys. He managed
Toots Mayal band. His girlfriend was a blond
white girl. I just have two things to say, first,
that you see more black men with white women
than white men with black women because
there are more white women than black men
or black women. Second, it's only a temporary
speculative bubble, the market will correct
itself eventually, if only because black women
really are smaller(it's true).
BY the way, I am writing up a play called "Maracuchos
in Mississippi" based on a group of us who lived in
Alabama, a few of whom were super-rich, but looked
down upon by the Alabama white kids (who were all my
students, and all older than me).
That is the last man off the boat phenomenon.
That's what it's called in New York, while the
the southern variant is white share croppers
trying to find somebody to talk down to.
The blacks in DC have a visceral reaction when
they see a white person because they assume
that the white person is there for drugs or
sex.
Some Koreans I know bought a corner store
at NJ and O NW, DC, and they had to fire the
black male cook and hire a black female cook
because he couldn't stop his mouth and the
women wanted some peace. But in general
it's not just black men, but all poor men, and
not construction trades per se, but the low
man not being in demand--he should be a
blond girl in a black neighborhood or a small
boy in prison--but he's not popular so he
hits on all the women for a joke with his
homies. The volume is turned up too loud
in other ways, including threatening talk,
and immediate familiarity with strangers,
not just women, pestering strangers for
money, all analogous to a higher volume
level than most of us are used to, but
they just ignore most of it. But they can
get away with ignoring it because there
is no extra issue. It's mostly "playing too
much". As a man I notice the fight-club
mentality and pan-handling more while
for a woman it's the slobbering. That's
life in the big city.
When once we
mentioned that ---'s father owned more than 100,000
heads of cattle, the white trash almost fainted! The
play also tells the story of this city, which was
designed as capital city for the Great Colombia, but
destroyed by oil which came here over 100 yrs ago.
Or United Fruit coming and going. UF, CIA,
same diff. Americans mock latin american
dictators, but in reality it's UF-CIA that has
installed every one of them, and Iraq is now
receiving the United Fruit treatment by the
banana republicans.
It includes a lot about the Alabama guys begging us to
bring some pure coke to them.
You must not have met the Christian Identity
Assholes(CIA) who give the feds an excuse to
protect their arms for coke airports like Mena.
The lowest white trash KKK-CI moron has a
federal baby-sitter, and if he's a free mason,
six federal baby-sitters. Up the road there's
a little airport where the coke comes in.
But that and the cigarette boats only bring in
a fraction of the coke. They are the credible
frontal assault diverting attention from the
flanking container loads and C plane loads and
tanker truck loads of dope coming across the
border and into Miami and San Diego. With
all that going on, they can fly duffel bags of
coke right into northern Virginia, and the
story will be written about Mena, not
Manassas.
And one of those, whom even I considered ugly, was
very wealthy here (he just went to visit, because he
was bored), and won Mr. Venezuela, then Mr. World, and
is now a big-time model with Armani in NYC. He was
stupid, but the Alabamians were more like cattle! And
I mean ALL of them. I did not meet a single person
there who knew anything of the REAL world, but they
were nicer than the Louisiana racists, who were just
as ignorant of the world.
Noam Chomsky makes a science of studying
why people here don't know anything and why
they think they know what they're told. Pick
any specific illusion, for example. 911 and
anthraxing the Reichstag and Bush-Pinochet
HMX are supposed to teach us something,
and the media teaches us mostly nothing
plus a few simple lies.
The play specifically says that only trashy, poor
people become racists, when they believe they deserve
something more than someone else.
"Last man off the boat syndrome", beat somebody
down to raise oneself up, classic abuser pathology.
And its basis are 2
couples in love: a black man with a white woman, and
vice versa. It also examines the obssession of young
men in the south with firearms,
The gun thing is slightly Freudian but mainly
what's going on is the whole southern good
old boy mantra, which turns racism and
terrorism and lynching into John Wayne
saving the ranch for freedom and democracy.
Some of the white trash such as Charles
Manson weave the specter of a race war
into their gun cult, and all of them think
they're preparing for a flood of criminals,
mostly black of course, coming out from
the cities. But in fact the white Aryan
Nation and Christian Identity and biker
mazzini gangers have a slightly higher
place in the drug hierarchy than the other
ethnic gangsters. All of the ethnic gang
leaders are babysat by feds.
while a Maracucho can
handle food AND defend himself with a Machete. Plus,
the men here have real Machetes, not the
Viagra-needing thingies in Alabama (not that I ever
saw one, but I hear that only Irish and Italian white
men have any useful ones?).
Gabriel Garcia Marquez talks about the Colombian
machete-wielding indians. Ton-Ton Macoutes in
Haiti. In DC it's against the law for a black man
to carry a knife longer than two inches in his
pants. And most of the cops are white. You see
a gang of white cub scouts chasing a black
kid around so they can arrest him for carrying
too long a knife, or a white guy in a leather
jacket that says Hollywood on the back and
he's wearing sunglasses and talking tough
to the corner kids who sell crack. The people
who control the cops would rather the kids
buy new Glocks from The Man than pass around
inexpensive knives for generations.
What I mention here is an important part of the play,
since its true that this city has more per capita/per
night sex than any other place (other countries). It
also tries to show that pollution and wealth has hurt
the sexual vitality of all developed nations. Birth
COntrol also hurts, but this really takes more than
2-3 generations.
Oh, and the play has a young man who is a fanatic of
Malcolm X, and wants to defend blacks in the USA at
all costs... but he had a Turk ancestor who cut off
heads in Africa while catching slaves, so the blacks
want to hit him. He's small, but ends up smashing
about 5 gigantic black men against the floor with
martial arts techniques. This is a true story of my
husband's ancenstry and beliefs, though he has never
beat up black men. He rather was with 4 of them all
the time- his uncles, all dead on the street now for
over 10 years. They were used by the USA government to
smuggle weapons to the Colombian guerrilla.
Vanessa Di Domenico
"used by the USA government to smuggle weapons to the
Colombian guerrilla"
Used by US white trash to sell weapons to
both sides for maximum profit to the US
oligarchy, such as Prescott Bush managing
Hitler's economy, Bernard Baruch and George
Herbert Walker and Prescott Bush profiting
off of both sides in WW1. CIA selling to both
Castro and Batista. I think they gave up the
bananas and sugar cane. They fly weapons
south, drugs north.
-Bob
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Know your enemy. Christianists are the root of all evil. Arch drug warriors.
Bush's number one supporters. War mongers and code-word racists. Armageddonists
who want a greater Israel (at Palestinian expense) so that God can fullfill
"prophecy," commence World War 3 Armageddon, and kill all those unbelieving
Jews. And everyone else who isn't Christianist and taken up by The Rapture.
Just a regurgitated KKK.
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(UPDATED) Racism alive and well in a N. Carolina school by Plutonium Page Thu
Dec 9th, 2004 at 14:18:31 PDT
Slavery as it existed in the South was not an adversarial relationship with
pervasive racial animosity. Because of its dominantly patriarchal character, it
was a relationship based upon mutual affection and confidence...
...Slave life was to them a life of plenty, of simple pleasures, of food,
clothes, and good medical care.
Quiz:
Those are passages from:
a. a book used in a Southern school in 1950
b. a book to be used in a Southern school in 2004
If you answered "a", you're wrong.
More below the fold.
Update [2004-12-10 4:9:11 by Plutonium Page]: Right on! E-mail does work.
They've decided not to use the pamphlet. Here's the press release (pdf).
Diaries :: -->
Plutonium Page's diary :: ::
The passages I posted are from a booklet entitled 'Southern Slavery, As It
Was'.
The booklet is to be used as part of the curriculum at Cary Christian School in
Cary, North Carolina.
School defends slavery booklet
Leaders at Cary Christian School say they are not condoning slavery by using
"Southern Slavery, As It Was," a booklet that attempts to provide a biblical
justification for slavery and asserts that slaves weren't treated as badly as
people think.
Principal Larry Stephenson said the school is only exposing students to
different ideas, such as how the South justified slavery. He said the booklet
is used because it is hard to find writings that are both sympathetic to the
South and explore what the Bible says about slavery.
"You can have two different sides, a Northern perspective and a Southern
perspective," he said.
The booklet isn't the only connection its two co-authors have with the school.
One of the authors, Douglas Wilson, a pastor in Moscow, Idaho, wrote a book on
classical education upon which the school bases its philosophy. Wilson's
Association of Classical and Christian Schools accredited Cary Christian, and
he is scheduled to speak at the school's graduation in May.
And the book's other author?
The booklet's other author, Steve Wilkins, is a member of the board of
directors of the Alabama-based League of the South. That is classified as a
"hate group" by the Southern Poverty Law Center, an Alabama-based civil rights
group.
"Doug Wilson and Steve Wilkins have essentially constructed the ruling theology
of the neo-Confederate movement," said Mark Potok, editor of the Southern
Poverty Law Center's Intelligence Report.
Potok said people who argue that the South should secede again have latched
onto the writings of Wilson and Wilkins, which portray the Confederacy as the
last true Christian civilization.
I'm sure this isn't the only proud dad who thinks it's great:
Marcus Ranch, who has three daughters at Cary Christian, said he has no problem
with the school using the booklet. He said it offers an accurate portrayal that
is overlooked of how many slaves were treated kindly by their owners.
"That book is fine," Ranch said. "It does a good job with that particular
perspective."
When do the kids get their white hoods?
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Taliban on the Palouse?
A religious empire based in Idaho is part of the far-right theological movement
fueling neo-Confederate groups
By Mark Potok
Some 350 students and others protested against Doug Wilson's 'Revolution &
Modernity' conference at the University of Idaho this February.
(Rajah Bose)
MOSCOW, Idaho -- The fliers showed up one day last fall, scattered around the
sprawling campus of the University of Idaho at Moscow and looking for all the
world like a routine advertisement for a couple of visiting scholars.
"Meet the Authors!" the one-page announcements shouted, referring readers to an
upcoming February conference on campus that would be featuring speakers Douglas
Wilson and Steven Wilkins, the co-authors of Southern Slavery, As It Was. There
followed five excerpted "highlights" from their book.
"Slavery as it existed in the South ... was a relationship based upon mutual
affection and confidence," the excerpts read in part. "There has never been a
multiracial society which has existed with such mutual intimacy and harmony in
the history of the world. ...
"Slave life was to them [slaves] a life of plenty, of simple pleasures, of
food, clothes, and good medical care."
This flier was no advertisement. It was a call to arms.
In the months that followed, sparked by the fliers anonymously distributed by
antiracist activists, an uproar erupted that convulsed the campus, the town,
and even the community around Washington State University, another huge school
some eight miles away in Pullman, Wash.
Before it was over, the presidents of both universities had condemned Wilson
and Wilkins' book in unsparing terms, dozens of newspaper articles, editorials,
advertisements and letters to the editor had been printed, major demonstrations
had been held, new antiracist groups had formed, and a whole array of
counter-events had been organized for the Wilson/Wilkins event.
Few who lived on the Palouse, as the region is known, avoided the boiling
controversy.
The reason for the powerful reaction wasn't just that the two men had written a
repulsive apologia for slavery and the antebellum South. More important was the
fact that one of them, Doug Wilson, had been in Moscow for 30 years.
And during those three decades, largely beneath the radar of his neighbors,
Wilson had built a far-flung, far-right religious empire that included a
college, an array of lower schools, an entire denomination of churches, and
more.
At the same time, with longtime collaborator Wilkins, Wilson was developing a
theology that married an enthusiastic endorsement of the antebellum South with
ideas of religious government ? an ideology now at the center of the
neo-Confederate movement.
Doug Wilson, it seems, was raising a religious army.
Back to the Future
The racism and sorry scholarship that informed Southern Slavery, As It Was ?
and that set off the recent hullabaloo in Idaho ? did not spring full-blown
from the minds of Doug Wilson and Steve Wilkins. In fact, these ideas were born
long before.
During the 1960s, as part of a backlash against the civil rights movement, a
theologian named Gregg Singer rediscovered the work of Robert L. Dabney, the
chaplain to Civil War Gen. Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson. Soon, he was joined by
another far-right theologian, Rousas John Rushdoony, who also came across
Dabney, a man who had spent the 30 years after the Civil War popularizing the
idea that the "godly" South had been victimized by godless Yankees.
Both Singer and Rushdoony admired Dabney's ideas, which included a view of the
South as a religiously ordered society, an "orthodox" Christian remnant in a
nation increasingly overtaken by rationalist and anti-religious thought.
Dabney's virulent racism ? he saw blacks as a "morally inferior race," a
"sordid, alien taint" marked by "lying, theft, drunkenness, laziness, waste" ?
also supported Rushdoony's dislike for the civil rights movement and ongoing
desegregation. Dabney explicitly defended slavery as godly, a theme Wilson and
Wilkins would later repeat.
In 1973, Rushdoony published Institutes of Biblical Law, a book that
established him as the founding thinker of a radical theology that came to be
known as Christian Reconstruction.
The book fleshed out Rushdoony's vision of a society "reconstructed" along Old
Testament lines ? a world in which religious governors would mete out biblical
punishments like the stoning to death of gays, adulteresses, "incorrigible"
children and many others. Relying on a literal reading of the Bible, Rushdoony
espoused a society of classes with differing rights, opposed interracial
marriage, and scoffed at egalitarianism.
Even Ralph Reed, then the highly conservative executive director of the
Christian Coalition, warned that Christian Reconstruction represented a threat
to the "most basic liberties ... of a free society."
Rushdoony also developed a strategic plan. The most effective way of
implementing his vision, he said, would be to develop Christian homeschooling
and private schools in order to train up a generation to take the reins of
society. So vigorous was his pursuit of this strategy that Rushdoony would
eventually come to be known to many as the father of the Christian
homeschooling movement.
It was an exciting time for Rushdoony. Some of his principal co-religionists
and followers became active in the 1970s, and his influence began to extend to
some of America's leading evangelical churches.
And it marked the start of an important collaboration between people who viewed
themselves as "orthodox Christians" and "Confederate nationalists," a merging
of the theocratic idea of religious government and a view of the 19th-century
Confederate cause as fundamentally right. 1
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<H4 class=date>Thu Dec 9th, 2004 at 14:18:31 PDT</H4>
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<DIV class=blockquote>Slavery as it existed in the South was not an adversarial
relationship with pervasive racial animosity. Because of its dominantly
patriarchal character, it was a relationship based upon mutual affection and
confidence...
<P>...Slave life was to them a life of plenty, of simple pleasures, of food,
clothes, and good medical care.</P></DIV>
<P><STRONG>Quiz:</STRONG>
<P>Those are passages from:
<P> a. a book used in a Southern school in 1950<BR>
b. a book to be used in a Southern school in 2004
<P>If you answered "a", you're wrong.
<P>More below the fold.
<P>
<P><BR><B>Update [2004-12-10 4:9:11 by Plutonium Page]:</B> Right on! E-mail
does work. They've decided not to use the pamphlet. <A
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<P>The passages I posted are from a booklet entitled 'Southern Slavery, As It
Was'.
<P>The booklet is to be used as part of the curriculum at Cary Christian School
in Cary, North Carolina.
<P><A
href="http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1913619p-8258411c.html">School
defends slavery booklet</A>
<P>
<DIV class=blockquote>Leaders at Cary Christian School say they are not
condoning slavery by using "Southern Slavery, As It Was," a booklet that
attempts to provide a biblical justification for slavery and asserts that
slaves weren't treated as badly as people think.
<P>Principal Larry Stephenson said the school is only exposing students to
different ideas, such as how the South justified slavery. He said the booklet
is used because it is hard to find writings that are both sympathetic to the
South and explore what the Bible says about slavery.
<P>"You can have two different sides, a Northern perspective and a Southern
perspective," he said.
<P>The booklet isn't the only connection its two co-authors have with the
school.
<P>One of the authors, Douglas Wilson, a pastor in Moscow, Idaho, wrote a book
on classical education upon which the school bases its philosophy. Wilson's
Association of Classical and Christian Schools accredited Cary Christian, and
he is scheduled to speak at the school's graduation in May.</P></DIV>
<P>And the book's other author?
<P>
<DIV class=blockquote>The booklet's other author, Steve Wilkins, is a member of
the board of directors of the Alabama-based League of the South. That is
classified as a "hate group" by the Southern Poverty Law Center, an
Alabama-based civil rights group.
<P>"Doug Wilson and Steve Wilkins have essentially constructed the ruling
theology of the neo-Confederate movement," said Mark Potok, editor of the
Southern Poverty Law Center's Intelligence Report.
<P>Potok said people who argue that the South should secede again have latched
onto the writings of Wilson and Wilkins, which portray the Confederacy as the
last true Christian civilization.</P></DIV>
<P>I'm sure this isn't the only proud dad who thinks it's great:
<P>
<DIV class=blockquote>Marcus Ranch, who has three daughters at Cary Christian,
said he has no problem with the school using the booklet. He said it offers an
accurate portrayal that is overlooked of how many slaves were treated kindly by
their owners.
<P>"That book is fine," Ranch said. "It does a good job with that particular
perspective."</P></DIV>
<P>
<P><BR>
<P>When do the kids get their white hoods?
<P>
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<P><SPAN class=articlehead>Taliban on the Palouse?</SPAN><BR><SPAN
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<TD class=cutline>Some 350 students and others protested against Doug Wilson's
'Revolution & Modernity' conference at the University of Idaho this
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<TD>MOSCOW, Idaho -- The fliers showed up one day last fall, scattered around
the sprawling campus of the University of Idaho at Moscow and looking for all
the world like a routine advertisement for a couple of visiting scholars.
<P>"Meet the Authors!" the one-page announcements shouted, referring readers to
an upcoming February conference on campus that would be featuring speakers
Douglas Wilson and Steven Wilkins, the co-authors of <I>Southern Slavery, As It
Was.</I> There followed five excerpted "highlights" from their book.
<P>"Slavery as it existed in the South ... was a relationship based upon mutual
affection and confidence," the excerpts read in part. "There has never been a
multiracial society which has existed with such mutual intimacy and harmony in
the history of the world. ...
<P>"Slave life was to them [slaves] a life of plenty, of simple pleasures, of
food, clothes, and good medical care."
<P>This flier was no advertisement. It was a call to arms.
<P>In the months that followed, sparked by the fliers anonymously distributed
by antiracist activists, an uproar erupted that convulsed the campus, the town,
and even the community around Washington State University, another huge school
some eight miles away in Pullman, Wash.
<P>Before it was over, the presidents of both universities had condemned Wilson
and Wilkins' book in unsparing terms, dozens of newspaper articles, editorials,
advertisements and letters to the editor had been printed, major demonstrations
had been held, new antiracist groups had formed, and a whole array of
counter-events had been organized for the Wilson/Wilkins event.
<P>Few who lived on the Palouse, as the region is known, avoided the boiling
controversy.
<P>The reason for the powerful reaction wasn't just that the two men had
written a repulsive apologia for slavery and the antebellum South. More
important was the fact that one of them, Doug Wilson, had been in Moscow for 30
years.
<P>And during those three decades, largely beneath the radar of his neighbors,
Wilson had built a far-flung, far-right religious empire that included a
college, an array of lower schools, an entire denomination of churches, and
more.
<P>At the same time, with longtime collaborator Wilkins, Wilson was developing
a theology that married an enthusiastic endorsement of the antebellum South
with ideas of religious government ? an ideology now at the center of the
neo-Confederate movement.
<P>Doug Wilson, it seems, was raising a religious army.
<P><B>Back to the Future</B><BR>The racism and sorry scholarship that informed
<I>Southern Slavery, As It Was</I> ? and that set off the recent hullabaloo in
Idaho ? did not spring full-blown from the minds of Doug Wilson and Steve
Wilkins. In fact, these ideas were born long before.
<P>During the 1960s, as part of a backlash against the civil rights movement, a
theologian named Gregg Singer rediscovered the work of Robert L. Dabney, the
chaplain to Civil War Gen. Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson. Soon, he was joined by
another far-right theologian, Rousas John Rushdoony, who also came across
Dabney, a man who had spent the 30 years after the Civil War popularizing the
idea that the "godly" South had been victimized by godless Yankees.
<P>Both Singer and Rushdoony admired Dabney's ideas, which included a view of
the South as a religiously ordered society, an "orthodox" Christian remnant in
a nation increasingly overtaken by rationalist and anti-religious thought.
<P>Dabney's virulent racism ? he saw blacks as a "morally inferior race," a
"sordid, alien taint" marked by "lying, theft, drunkenness, laziness, waste" ?
also supported Rushdoony's dislike for the civil rights movement and ongoing
desegregation. Dabney explicitly defended slavery as godly, a theme Wilson and
Wilkins would later repeat.
<P>In 1973, Rushdoony published <I>Institutes of Biblical Law,</I> a book that
established him as the founding thinker of a radical theology that came to be
known as Christian Reconstruction.
<P>The book fleshed out Rushdoony's vision of a society "reconstructed" along
Old Testament lines ? a world in which religious governors would mete out
biblical punishments like the stoning to death of gays, adulteresses,
"incorrigible" children and many others. Relying on a literal reading of the
Bible, Rushdoony espoused a society of classes with differing rights, opposed
interracial marriage, and scoffed at egalitarianism.
<P>Even Ralph Reed, then the highly conservative executive director of the
Christian Coalition, warned that Christian Reconstruction represented a threat
to the "most basic liberties ... of a free society."
<P>Rushdoony also developed a strategic plan. The most effective way of
implementing his vision, he said, would be to develop Christian homeschooling
and private schools in order to train up a generation to take the reins of
society. So vigorous was his pursuit of this strategy that Rushdoony would
eventually come to be known to many as the father of the Christian
homeschooling movement.
<P>It was an exciting time for Rushdoony. Some of his principal co-religionists
and followers became active in the 1970s, and his influence began to extend to
some of America's leading evangelical churches.
<P>And it marked the start of an important collaboration between people who
viewed themselves as "orthodox Christians" and "Confederate nationalists," a
merging of the theocratic idea of religious government and a view of the
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Re: Crackdown on Christianist schools. Onward Christian Soldiers. Drug war.
Hi Vanessa,
Love your posts.
You wrote:
"BUT I agree that what the book teaches is true."
Exactly what parts of the articles I posted are you talking about?
Can you quote them please? I cleaned up the articles and reposted
them without all the errors and underlying HTML that somehow got put
in them previously by some weird Yahoo Mail software bug. The
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--- In cia-drugs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Vanessa Di Domenico
<venezuelanquaker@xxxx> wrote:
>
>
> --- Eco Man <tents444@xxxx> wrote:
> > http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/12/9/171831/355
> >
> > Slavery as it existed in the South was not an
> > adversarial relationship with pervasive racial
> > animosity. Because of its dominantly patriarchal
> > character, it was a relationship based upon mutual
> > affection and confidence...
> > ...Slave life was to them a life of plenty, of
> > simple pleasures, of food, clothes, and good medical
> > care.
>
>
> Dear Eco Man,
>
> I have a lot of respect for all your opinions, and you
> may remember that I lived in Alabama and Louisiana,
> and was flabbergasted by their racism.
>
> BUT I agree that what the book teaches is true.
>
> Because the north (the Union) did NOT give a shit
> about the slaves- they just wanted to gain control of
> the food-producing lands of the south, and to gain the
> slaves' support, they set up the war as a thing to
> 'free blacks'. BS! The north people were even MORE
> racists than the southern whites, and STILL are! Not
> just the whites, but the blacks as well. You should
> have seen me in Little Jamaica, NYC, in 1988. They
> looked like they wanted to murder me for walking there
> and smiling at them!! I had to begin talking like a
> Medellin narc to get them off my back.
>
> When my 2 black roommates took me to a party, all the
> black young men ran to see what they could get- and
> the girls looked like they wanted to murder me. I
> ended up smoking dope with the true 'Jamaican' of the
> neighborhood- who know what we Maracuchos are made of!
> (this problem was caused by the fame of white girls
> who like black men as 'whores')
>
> BY the way, I am writing up a play called "Maracuchos
> in Mississippi" based on a group of us who lived in
> Alabama, a few of whom were super-rich, but looked
> down upon by the Alabama white kids (who were all my
> students, and all older than me). When once we
> mentioned that ---'s father owned more than 100,000
> heads of cattle, the white trash almost fainted! The
> play also tells the story of this city, which was
> designed as capital city for the Great Colombia, but
> destroyed by oil which came here over 100 yrs ago.
>
> It includes a lot about the Alabama guys begging us to
> bring some pure coke to them.
>
> And one of those, whom even I considered ugly, was
> very wealthy here (he just went to visit, because he
> was bored), and won Mr. Venezuela, then Mr. World, and
> is now a big-time model with Armani in NYC. He was
> stupid, but the Alabamians were more like cattle! And
> I mean ALL of them. I did not meet a single person
> there who knew anything of the REAL world, but they
> were nicer than the Louisiana racists, who were just
> as ignorant of the world.
>
> The play specifically says that only trashy, poor
> people become racists, when they believe they deserve
> something more than someone else. And its basis are 2
> couples in love: a black man with a white woman, and
> vice versa. It also examines the obssession of young
> men in the south with firearms, while a Maracucho can
> handle food AND defend himself with a Machete. Plus,
> the men here have real Machetes, not the
> Viagra-needing thingies in Alabama (not that I ever
> saw one, but I hear that only Irish and Italian white
> men have any useful ones?).
>
> What I mention here is an important part of the play,
> since its true that this city has more per capita/per
> night sex than any other place (other countries). It
> also tries to show that pollution and wealth has hurt
> the sexual vitality of all developed nations. Birth
> COntrol also hurts, but this really takes more than
> 2-3 generations.
>
> Oh, and the play has a young man who is a fanatic of
> Malcolm X, and wants to defend blacks in the USA at
> all costs... but he had a Turk ancestor who cut off
> heads in Africa while catching slaves, so the blacks
> want to hit him. He's small, but ends up smashing
> about 5 gigantic black men against the floor with
> martial arts techniques. This is a true story of my
> husband's ancenstry and beliefs, though he has never
> beat up black men. He rather was with 4 of them all
> the time- his uncles, all dead on the street now for
> over 10 years. They were used by the USA government to
> smuggle weapons to the Colombian guerrilla.
>
> Vanessa Di Domenico
>
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