Re: my child types...Steve Miller, Alvin Lee and the Guess Who

--- In autismlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Tom Smith <qim@xxxx> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- remarksman <remarksman@xxxx> wrote:
> 
> > --- In autismlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Tom Smith <qim@xxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- remarksman <remarksman@xxxx> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > --- In autismlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Tom Smith <qim@xxxx> 
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Yo ray,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Where are "Zimmy" (Dylan) and the other rock stars these 
> > days?  
> > > > Neil
> > > > > Young is communicating with his CP kid by putting his 
Lionel 
> > train 
> > > > back
> > > > > on the tracks after his kid runs it off the tracks.  Young 
> > said in 
> > > > a
> > > > > recent article that his kid gets a kick out of that.
> > > > > 
> > > > > When it comes to men's issues only Geldof seems to help 
and he 
> > is
> > > > > intervening just for fathers.  It's time those guys start 
> > earning 
> > > > their
> > > > > way or fade away.  What a disappointment they have been.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > aside from a few mentioned i agree, didn't want to leave you 
> > hanging 
> > > > on this comment 
> > > 
> > > Yes, I appreciate that.  It's a shared passion and hope that I 
> > know you
> > > are reluctant to "scrap".
> > >  
> > > > they were given voice of authority, and now the beast is 
loose 
> > and 
> > > > the scrap come, they have flown, nesting faraway and fat, 
> > abandoning 
> > > > friends and vows
> > > 
> > > Money and comfort makes people lazy and sex makes them stupid.
> > 
> > 
> > check
> >  
> > >  
> > > > >  It wouldn't
> > > > > have been so bad if they hadn't actively supported 
feminism TO 
> > THIS
> > > > > DAY.  I know musicians are jugheads when it comes to 
politics, 
> > but 
> > > > this
> > > > > is different.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Tom
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > i already expressed my disgust w/them elsewhere, as you 
know -- 
> > > > nobody wants to get "personally involved" -- given the 
> > consequences 
> > > > that's understandable, but still pitiful
> > > 
> > > Like most people they don't understand it or the scope of the 
> > problem. 
> > > Sex differences makes them blind while at the same time the 
ruling
> > > elite suppresses and propogandizes against the truth of sex 
> > differences
> > > and their political and social dynamics.  It's a great gig 
though 
> > if
> > > you are part of the corporate feminist elite or their monied 
> > toadies. 
> > > For the males the money eases the pain and provides safety 
while
> > > increasing the access to sex and procreation partners.  Most 
aren't
> > > fully conscious of what they are doing but happy for the 
benes!!  
> > They
> > > would advise that if you don't like it then make money like any
> > > responsible man should and then they turn around and support 
> > mandated
> > > sexual equality (feminism).  It works great for them while the 
> > machine
> > > is running smoothly and money is flowing.
> > >    
> > > > i always hope for more
> > > 
> > > Me too.  This problem is the big challenge of our generation.  
If 
> > we
> > > don't take it on then all that went before was for naught.
> > >  
> > > > but rarely get it! lol
> > > > 
> > > > if you're really interested in bob's take on this, see his 
> > > > film "masked and anonymous," which generally lays out what 
went 
> > down 
> > > > these past decades, in america at least -- the "oppressed" 
as 
> > the 
> > > > New Gestapo etc
> > > 
> > > Hmmm...I didn't know he got that specific. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > he doesn't, that's merely my summary
> > 
> > 
> >  Maybe he isn't an idiot
> > > politically afterall.
> > 
> > 
> > we're the idiots, dood
> > 
> > when i was a kid, the left was still a refuge and hope for the 
> > powerless and downtrodden
> 
> Well that's what we thought, but even then it all served women.


no, it didn't, and that's the point

without the sixties left, southern trees might still be bearing 
strange fruit

and that fruit would not be female, any more than it was then



  We
> just didn't know the immense organziation and power they had.  When
> they snuck women into the civil rights act we should have known.
>  
> > we saw the national father was corrupt and diseased, so we ran 
the 
> > stake thru his heart -- too young, stoopid, and misled to 
understand 
> > that there are worse things in the old, deep places of the 
world, 
> > waiting to take his place
> 
> I loved my dad and even had a soft spot for Nixon.  We just 
couldn't
> figure out why they were sending us to 'Nam to be killed.  Most of 
us
> knew the dangers of revolution.  we weren't that naive.
>  
> > as scorcese's bob-ocumentary "no direction home" shows clearly, 
bob 
> > avoided ideo-politics like the plague it is -- despite being 
> > constantly harangued and hissed by the lefties who wouldn't 
tolerate 
> > his differing views/approach (PC in utero, lol)
> 
> Bob has the same problem as the rest of us...an inability, or 
extreme
> difficulty in confronting women.



dood you put the "pro" in projection!

lol



>  So he hides out and does didley.




he wrote and performed "maggie's farm" when the country was 
demanding romantic folk ballads and more "Hello 
Muddah, Hello Faddah," his audiences were screeching for folk tunes 
and calling him judas, and his (non)peers were pressing for topical 
tracts 

where were these other outspoken men's activists in 1965?  let's 
hear some names (i'll wait, plenty of time)

this guy was already stripping the empress when the rest of the 
bunch were bending to lift her

;O)

plus "idiot wind," plus "senor," which is both an intimate dialogue 
and a direct challenge to american manhood

i could go on for an hour...

tsk tsk o wize one

jealousy's a harsh mistress, with a louse inn'er 



>  
> > by '66 or so he was already WAY beyond us and our childish 
delusions 
> > that Wonderful Woman would set all to rights, and that 
the "identity 
> > revolution" was equivalent to "progressiveness" -- and he 
started 
> > shucking the poli-powermongers determined to hold him back and, 
> > effectively, to silence him (check some of the post-concert 
> > footage/commentary, it's a priceless education)
> > 
> > so now we're paying the price of our naivete, self-
righteousness,  
> > and reliance on "leaders" that didn't know wtf they were talking 
> > about, much less doing . . . the nation is fallen, the planet is 
> > gasping for life, and the old lefties are still stuck in '66, 
> > haven't budged an inch(worm)
> > 
> > :O)
> > 
> > we blew it, don't toss bob into the Dumbass Ditch with the rest 
of 
> > us, the evidence proves otherwise
> 
> Sorry, but I ain't taking the blame.  We were no feminists in the 
late
> Sixties.  In fact quite the opposite and that's why many of us 
headed
> for the hills as hippies.  In Marxist lingo, we thought feminism 
was
> bourgeois bullshit.  No ray, we didn't have didley to do with it.  
I
> suspect the "Republic" knew it was going to use feminism back in 
the
> Fifties for counter insurgency purposes domestically and
> internationally.



stock in Fatherlands wasn't real high at the time

:O)

if you were a geostrategist in, say, 1952, looking to consolidate 
for 
the next century or so, what would you do?



>  Now we are trying to defeat the Muslims the same 
way.
> 
> Otherwise, great analysis.
> 
> Tom 
>  
> > 
> > >  I'll check it out.
> > >  
> > > > the film's key line concerns a "fight between a bird and a 
> > snake" 
> > > > (the snake's power is smothering, propaganda, and poison; 
the 
> > bird's 
> > > > power is flight, vision, and song)
> > > > 
> > > > the "plot" (lol) concerns a "benefit concert" set up by 
counter-
> > > > revolutionaries to undermine the Regime, which is an 
alliance 
> > of  
> > > > the old military/industrial Krew and the new PC Politburro
> > > > 
> > > > ... only problem (tell me if this rings a bell!) is that 
none of 
> > > > the "rock stars" will have anything to do with the ragtag 
group, 
> > so 
> > > > they're forced to scrape barrel bottom, and bail no-name has-
> > > > been "Jack Fate" out of prison for the gig (after which the 
> > Python 
> > > > Politburro ships him back to the cages -- it's just like 
Reel 
> > Life!)
> > > 
> > > Ain't it though.  Now I'm off to ask the python politburro to 
> > punish
> > > one of theirs.  Wish me luck.
> > 
> > 
> > aint no such thang
> > 
> > 
> > >  
> > > > lol
> > > > 
> > > > so the good news is that not everybody caved and turned 
their 
> > backs, 
> > > > the bad news is most everybody did
> > > 
> > > Prince Myshkin (see below) and Jesus bite the dust.  May they 
be
> > > remembered.
> > >
> > 
> > at this point, i'd guess they probly just wanna be left alone 
> > 
> >  
> > > Thanks ray.
> > > 
> > > Tom
> > > 
> > > Re:  Prince Myshkin of Dostoevsky's "The Idiot"
> > > 
> > > http://people.brandeis.edu/~teuber/dostoevskybio.html
> > > 
> > > "Idiot (1869; The Idiot), influenced by Hans Holbein's 
painting 
> > Christ
> > > Taken from the Cross and by Dostoyevsky's opposition to the 
growing
> > > atheistic sentiment of the times, depicts the Christ-like 
> > protagonist's
> > > loss of innocence and his experience of sin. Dostoyevsky's 
profound
> > > conservatism, which marked his political thinking following his
> > > Siberian experience, and especially his reaction against 
> > revolutionary
> > > socialism, provided the impetus for his great political novel 
Besy
> > > (1871-72; The Possessed)."
> > > 
> > > http://www.doyletics.com/_arj1/truthima.htm
> > > 
> > > "One interesting not: because his father called him "idiot" as 
a 
> > child,
> > > Hoffer read Dostoevski's "The Idiot" once a year every year of 
his
> > > life." 
> > >  
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- remarksman <remarksman@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In autismlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Tom Smith <qim@xxxx> 
> > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- Tink <tink.lecuyer@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 2.  a song:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Space Cowboy
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > By: Steve Miller and Ben Sidran
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > http://www.lyricsfreak.com/t/ten-years-
after/135632.html
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Everywhere is freaks and hairies
> > > > > > > Dykes and fairies, tell me where is sanity
> > > > > > > Tax the rich, feed the poor
> > > > > > > Till there are no rich no more
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > zimmie's Idiot Wind and a buncha others long after '71 
eg 
> > Sugar 
> > > > > > Baby--
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I got my back to the sun 'cause the light is too intense
> > > > > > I can see what everybody in the world is up against
> > > > > > You can't turn back - you can't come back, sometimes we 
push 
> > too 
> > > > far
> > > > > > One day you'll open up your eyes and you'll see where we 
are
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Sugar Baby get on down the road
> > > > > > You ain't got no brains, no how
> > > > > > You went years without me
> > > > > > Might as well keep going now
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Some of these bootleggers, they make pretty good stuff
> > > > > > Plenty of places to hide things here if you wanna 
hide 'em 
> > bad 
> > > > enough
> > > > > > I'm staying with Aunt Sally, but you know, she's not 
really 
> > my 
> > > > aunt
> > > > > > Some of these memories you can learn to live with and 
some 
> > of 
> > > > them 
> > > > > > you can't
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Sugar Baby get on down the line
> > > > > > You ain't got no brains, no how
> > > > > > You went years without me
> > > > > > You might as well keep going now
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The ladies down in Darktown, they're doing the Darktown 
Strut
> > > > > > You always got to be prepared but you never know for what
> > > > > > There ain't no limit to the amount of trouble women bring
> > > > > > Love is pleasing, love is teasing, love's not an evil 
thing
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Sugar Baby, get on down the road
> > > > > > You ain't got no brains, no how
> > > > > > You went years without me
> > > > > > You might as well keep going now
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Every moment of existence seems like some dirty trick
> > > > > > Happiness can come suddenly and leave just as quick
> > > > > > Any minute of the day the bubble could burst
> > > > > > Try to make things better for someone, sometimes,
> > > > > > you just end up making it a thousand times worse
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Sugar Baby, get on down the road
> > > > > > You ain't got no brains no how
> > > > > > You went years without me
> > > > > > Might as well keep going now
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Your charms have broken many a heart and mine is surely 
one
> > > > > > You got a way of tearing a world apart, love, see what 
you 
> > done
> > > > > > Just as sure as we're living, just as sure as you're born
> > > > > > Look up, look up - seek your Maker - 'fore Gabriel blows 
his 
> > horn
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Sugar Baby, get on down the line
> > > > > > You ain't got no sense, no how
> > > > > > You went years without me
> > > > > > Might as well keep going now
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
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