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Re: cd track markers + seamless track changes

Michaël Ball wrote: I have a pretty basic question involving cd track markers and seamless track changes. I've been working on recording, mixing and mastering an album, and it's in its final stages. However, there are certain songs which run into each other, with no gap in between them. What would be the best way to achieve this with ardour? It needs to be completely seamless. This is something you would do with the CD mastering. cdrdao (and it's companion GUI, gcdmaster) can accomplish this, as it creates CD disk-at-once images. Otherwise, if you use track-at-once image creation, your CD will have 2 second gaps between each track. http://cdrdao.sourceforge.net/ -- Rule of Feline Frustration: When your cat has fallen asleep on your lap and looks utterly content and adorable, you will suddenly have to go to the bathroom.

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Michaël Ball wrote: I have a pretty basic question involving cd track markers and seamless track changes. I've been working on recording, mixing and mastering an album, and it's in its final stages. However, there are certain songs which run into each other, with no gap in between them. What would be the best way to achieve this with ardour? It needs to be completely seamless. Many thanks, Michaël Ball <michael.ball@xxxxxxxxxx> After reading the other replies, I am off to experiment with these other methods; but meanwhile, I'll add my $0.02: I've been recording live shows at a local bar using ardour, then taking home the sessions and working my hack magic :) It sounds by your email that the songs in question were recorded as one session and *not* seperate. This is basically the scenario for all of my live recordings. So far my general procedure has been to mix/master/automate the entire (usually 45min to an hour) session at once, export it as a large wav file (and downsample: recording @ 24b/48Khz, exporting @ cd friendly 16b/44.1Khz), open it in rezound, cut it up into tracks, then burn the tracks to cd(and/or make ogg/mp3 for the net savvy bands), removing the 2 second gap. What I get is a smooth playing live show, but at the same time every song is it's own track. With the wav open in rezound, I start from the beginning, usually fade in since i seem to always be at the bar trying to score when the band starts and miss the first 20 seconds or so. From there I just highlight from the beginning to as close to the beginning of the next song, and do 'cut to new'. Now the original file has that section missing, so once again I highlight from the beginning to the beginning of the next song, and so on, and so on... By doing that, each previous song is removed from the original file, so there can be no mistake or over/underlap creating multiple seamless tracks from one recording. Of course, having markers placed when exporting, for cd TOC's is something I'm going to look into after reading the other posts. This method has always been my first choice for lack of understanding of other methods, and the fact that I almost always wish to create mp3's of the tracks as well. Doug

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Thank you everyone who replied. I got some very useful help. In the end I opted to output the entire album as one long wav file, and insert the track marks with gcdmaster. It went seamlessly. On Tue, 2004-08-10 at 23:46, Brett W. McCoy wrote: > Michaël Ball wrote: > > > I have a pretty basic question involving cd track markers and seamless > > track changes. I've been working on recording, mixing and mastering an > > album, and it's in its final stages. However, there are certain songs > > which run into each other, with no gap in between them. What would be > > the best way to achieve this with ardour? It needs to be completely > > seamless. > > This is something you would do with the CD mastering. cdrdao (and it's > companion GUI, gcdmaster) can accomplish this, as it creates CD > disk-at-once images. Otherwise, if you use track-at-once image > creation, your CD will have 2 second gaps between each track. > > http://cdrdao.sourceforge.net/ -- Michaël Ball <michael.ball@xxxxxxxxxx>

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Michaël Ball wrote: I have a pretty basic question involving cd track markers and seamless track changes. I've been working on recording, mixing and mastering an album, and it's in its final stages. However, there are certain songs which run into each other, with no gap in between them. What would be the best way to achieve this with ardour? It needs to be completely seamless. Many thanks, Michaël Ball <michael.ball@xxxxxxxxxx> After reading the other replies, I am off to experiment with these other methods; but meanwhile, I'll add my $0.02: I've been recording live shows at a local bar using ardour, then taking home the sessions and working my hack magic :) It sounds by your email that the songs in question were recorded as one session and *not* seperate. This is basically the scenario for all of my live recordings. So far my general procedure has been to mix/master/automate the entire (usually 45min to an hour) session at once, export it as a large wav file (and downsample: recording @ 24b/48Khz, exporting @ cd friendly 16b/44.1Khz), open it in rezound, cut it up into tracks, then burn the tracks to cd(and/or make ogg/mp3 for the net savvy bands), removing the 2 second gap. What I get is a smooth playing live show, but at the same time every song is it's own track. With the wav open in rezound, I start from the beginning, usually fade in since i seem to always be at the bar trying to score when the band starts and miss the first 20 seconds or so. From there I just highlight from the beginning to as close to the beginning of the next song, and do 'cut to new'. Now the original file has that section missing, so once again I highlight from the beginning to the beginning of the next song, and so on, and so on... By doing that, each previous song is removed from the original file, so there can be no mistake or over/underlap creating multiple seamless tracks from one recording. Of course, having markers placed when exporting, for cd TOC's is something I'm going to look into after reading the other posts. This method has always been my first choice for lack of understanding of other methods, and the fact that I almost always wish to create mp3's of the tracks as well. Doug