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Re: python23 alpha; epoch support documentation

On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, Andrea Riciputi wrote: > On Thursday, Feb 27, 2003, at 12:16 Europe/Rome, Max Horn wrote: > > > Ho Hum, I have to wonder if it is a good idea to market python 2.3 > > Alpha 2 this way. People (like me) will see it and think "gee, a new > > python version" w/o realizing that it's an alpha version. Besides the > > question whether we should package alpha versions at all (I realize > > that some people release software that depedns on alpha version, but I > > don't have to like that nor these people <sigh>), not marking this as > > an alpha can on the long run cause more harm than it helps now to have > > access to this version. > > Moreover, all the packages that have "Depends: python" force python23 > installation (when you try selfupdate and update-all), resulting in > having some Python packages installed under v2.3 tree and others under > v2.2 tree. This situation force a user to upgrade to python23 even if > it is an alpha release. > > I think the situation should be fixed unless v2.3 could be judged > already reliable. > Andrea and Max: I have had users requesting a python23 package - that's why I put it there (in unstable only). You can easily switch back to python22 if you want - "fink install python-2.2.2-4". And for what it's worth, in my experience python23 is already quite stable (I use it daily). However, there's no getting around the fact that when you update python from 2.2 to 2.3, all python modules (e.g. Numeric, PIL, etc) need to be rebuilt. -Jeff -- Jeffrey S. Whitaker Phone : (303)497-6313 NOAA/OAR/CDC R/CDC1 FAX : (303)497-6449 325 Broadway Web : http://www.cdc.noaa.gov/~jsw Boulder, CO, USA 80305-3328 Office: Skaggs Research Cntr 1D-124 ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf

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Re: python23 alpha; epoch support documentation

On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 Jeffrey.S.Whitaker@xxxxxxxx wrote: > Andrea and Max: I have had users requesting a python23 package - that's > why I put it there (in unstable only). You can easily switch back to > python22 if you want - "fink install python-2.2.2-4". And for what it's > worth, in my experience python23 is already quite stable (I use it daily). > However, there's no getting around the fact that when you update python > from 2.2 to 2.3, all python modules (e.g. Numeric, PIL, etc) need to be > rebuilt. Which brings up a point: is the a way a python module can be automatically told to rebuild with a new version of python? I've been thinking about this, and coming up blank. I'm sure Ben could tell you I'm not an expert on fink packaging, tho ;-) ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf

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Re: python23 alpha; epoch support documentation

On Thursday, Feb 27, 2003, at 21:17 Europe/Rome, Jeff Whitaker wrote: When I try, for example, "% fink install numeric" fink automatically downloads and installs python23 and then installs Numeric under v2.3 tree. This because the following line in Numeric .info file: If you install python22 first, then numeric, you will be fine. Probably I'm wrong, but it doesn't work in such a way for me. Here is what happens if you try to install Numeric under python22: [ibook:~] andrea% fink install python22 sudo /sw/bin/fink install python22 Information about 2245 packages read in 1 seconds. The following package will be installed or updated: python22 dpkg -i /sw/fink/dists/unstable/crypto/binary-darwin-powerpc/python22_2.2.2- 4_darwin-powerpc.deb Selecting previously deselected package python22. (Reading database ... 27746 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking python22 (from .../python22_2.2.2-4_darwin-powerpc.deb) ... Setting up python22 (2.2.2-4) ... After this step I try to install Numeric: [ibook:~] andrea% fink install numeric-atlas sudo /sw/bin/fink install numeric-atlas Information about 2245 packages read in 1 seconds. fink needs help picking an alternative to satisfy a virtual dependency. The candidates: (1) python: Interpreted, object-oriented language. (2) python-nox: Interpreted, object-oriented language Pick one: [1] The following package will be installed or updated: numeric-atlas The following 3 additional packages will be installed: python python23 python23-shlibs Do you want to continue? [Y/n] As you can see Numeric depends on python which in turn depends on python23. So as far as I can understand you can't install Numeric under v2.2 tree at the moment. Obviously the problem is the same for all the other Python modules that have "Depends: python" rather than "Depends: python22" field. Andrea. --- Andrea Riciputi "Science is like sex: sometimes something useful comes out, but that is not the reason we are doing it" -- (Richard Feynman) ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 I am gone from today until Monday evening. I know it might not be of interest to anyone, but I am letting you know anyways. I will not be able to do any announcement nor handle any press enquiries, so please do that for me. I have a lot of work to do lately and thus my commitment lacks as of lately. I would like to apologise for that. - -d - - â Fantasie ist wichtiger als Wissen.â - Albert Einstein -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQE+XfoqiW/Ta/pxHPQRA+7KAJ0cDEER6Ul0xxszPPuk4NOoqZEReQCgnavt NiqoHdCgfiZH1rb3LItIIJI= =wva3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com