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Re: Implementing a “join” between a DataStream and a “set of rules”

Hi Turar,

Managed state is a general concept in Flink's DataStream API and not specifically designed for windows (although they use internally).
I'd recommend the broadcast state that Aljoscha proposed. It was specifically designed for these use cases.

It is true that the state is currently maintained in memory, but it is not bound to 5MB but rather the size of your heap (e.g., 100s MBs / GBs) if you configure a state backend that writes to a distributed file system (eg.g., FSStateBackend or RocksDBStateBackend). There is some ongoing work to also support broadcast state in RocksDB.

Best, Fabian

2018-06-05 22:53 GMT+02:00 Sandybayev, Turar (CAI - Atlanta) <Turar.Sandybayev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
Hi Amit,

In my current approach the idea for updating rule set data was to have some kind of a "control" stream that will trigger an update to a local data structure, or a "control" event within the main data stream that will trigger the same.

Using external system like a cache or database is also an option, but that still will require some kind of a trigger to reload rule set or a single rule, in case of any updates to it.

Others have suggested using Flink managed state, but I'm still not sure whether that is a generally recommended approach in this scenario, as it seems like it was more meant for windowing-type processing instead?


On 6/5/18, 8:46 AM, "Amit Jain" <aj2011it@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

    Hi Sandybayev,

    In the current state, Flink does not provide a solution to the
    mentioned use case. However, there is open FLIP[1] [2] which has been
    created to address the same.

    I can see in your current approach, you are not able to update the
    rule set data. I think you can update rule set data by building
    DataStream around changelogs which are stored in message
    queue/distributed file system.
    You can store rule set data in the external system where you can query
    for incoming keys from Flink.

    [1]: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/FLIP-17+Side+Inputs+for+DataStream+API
    [2]: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-6131

    On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 5:52 PM, Sandybayev, Turar (CAI - Atlanta)
    <Turar.Sandybayev@coxautoinc.com> wrote:
    > Hi,
    > What is the best practice recommendation for the following use case? We need
    > to match a stream against a set of “rules”, which are essentially a Flink
    > DataSet concept. Updates to this “rules set" are possible but not frequent.
    > Each stream event must be checked against all the records in “rules set”,
    > and each match produces one or more events into a sink. Number of records in
    > a rule set are in the 6 digit range.
    > Currently we're simply loading rules into a local List of rules and using
    > flatMap over an incoming DataStream. Inside flatMap, we're just iterating
    > over a list comparing each event to each rule.
    > To speed up the iteration, we can also split the list into several batches,
    > essentially creating a list of lists, and creating a separate thread to
    > iterate over each sub-list (using Futures in either Java or Scala).
    > Questions:
    > 1.            Is there a better way to do this kind of a join?
    > 2.            If not, is it safe to add additional parallelism by creating
    > new threads inside each flatMap operation, on top of what Flink is already
    > doing?
    > Thanks in advance!
    > Turar