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Re: [PROPOSE] Backup and Recovery Framework


Nicolas,

Given you Veeam example, this framework is backup vendor independent? So I
could use Veeam for vSphere or Hyper-V or use Quadric (Alike) for XenServer
or Hyper-V. This would sure beat the way I am doing it now, inside the VM.

I will be following this closely.



On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Rafael Weingärtner <
rafaelweingartner@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Ok, now I start to understand.  So, we will be handling snapshots and they
> will be sent to a third-party system.
>
> Now let’s proceed. If I configure this “feature” with external=false. What
> does it do? Nothing? I mean, what is the purpose of this “external”
> parameter?
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 4:09 PM, Nicolas Vazquez <
> Nicolas.Vazquez@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Its format may depend on the provider, but under the hood it is a
> snapshot
> > which can be full or incremental and it is copied and stored in a backup
> > repository in one of the backup servers. For example, if you use Veeam,
> you
> > will find your backups stored as .vbk (for full backups) and .vib (for
> > incremental backups). It is the task of the backup provider to create and
> > move these files to the backup repository.
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Rafael Weingärtner <rafaelweingartner@xxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 10:39:35 AM
> > To: dev
> > Subject: Re: [PROPOSE] Backup and Recovery Framework
> >
> > Ok, there are a lot of things, which are kind of blurry to me. So, let’s
> > try to go step by step.
> >
> > Let me ask again. What is a backup of the VM? You mention restore-point.
> > What is it? Is it a snapshot in the hypervisor (complete/partial
> snapshot)?
> > If it is not a snapshot,  what is it then? Are you installing some agent
> in
> > the VM and then copying/mirroring the files in the VM’s file system?
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 3:26 PM, Nicolas Vazquez <
> > Nicolas.Vazquez@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Daniel and Rafael,
> > >
> > >
> > > I have updated the diagram picture on the FS, please let me know if the
> > > problem persists.
> > >
> > >
> > > @<mailto:daniel.herrmann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Daniel you are right about
> > > restoring VMs, please let me update the FS. Regarding your question, we
> > > have considered the backups as a first class citizens, meaning that a
> > > backup would continue existing unless its originating VM has been
> > > removed/expunged. This way, listBackups API method would list them in
> > order
> > > to allow a user to restore a deleted VM from a backup.
> > >
> > >
> > > @Rafael the idea of the Dummy provider is simply returning the expected
> > > entities from a backup provider. For example, the BackupManager could
> ask
> > > the BackupProvider to list its backups and would expect a list of
> > backups.
> > > As the Dummy Provider implements the BackupProvider interface, it has
> its
> > > own implementation of listBackups() method and simply returns some mock
> > > entities to the Backup Manager. It does not store any backup, it simply
> > > creates them in execution time and returns them.
> > >
> > >
> > > From the CloudStack point of view, Backups are stored externally, on
> the
> > > Backup and Recovery provider servers and are handled by them. We keep
> > track
> > > of the existing backups in the Backup provider. Implementation may
> depend
> > > on the Backup and Recovery provider, would consist on snapshots, but
> are
> > > handled by the provider and not by CloudStack.
> > >
> > >
> > > Backup policies are created on the Backup and Recovery provider and
> > > provide retention options and periods as well as backup times. For
> > example,
> > > the provider may expose Golden, Silver and Bronze policies and have
> > > different options for each of them.
> > >
> > >
> > > The 'external' parameter on the listBackupPolicies API method would
> only
> > > ask the Backup and Recovery provider to list their policies if it is
> set
> > to
> > > true. If it is not set, or set to false, it just simply returns the
> > > existing mapped policies in CloudStack. Initially, CloudStack does not
> > > store any backup policy, those should be imported/mapped by the
> > > 'importBackupPolicy' API method.
> > >
> > >
> > > Finally, we consider backups as restore points. As mentioned above,
> > > backups are stored on the Backup and Recovery provider servers, so we
> > keep
> > > a mapping between the CloudStack entity and the backup, which can be
> used
> > > to restore VMs.
> > >
> > >
> > > Please let me know if anything.
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Nicolas Vazquez
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Rafael Weingärtner <rafaelweingartner@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 6:55:57 AM
> > > To: dev
> > > Subject: Re: [PROPOSE] Backup and Recovery Framework
> > >
> > > Hi Nicolas,
> > >
> > > The idea is great. I have some questions though.
> > >
> > > Before getting to the questions, your pictures are broken, or at least
> > they
> > > seem broken to me.
> > >
> > > How would the “dummy” backup provider work? I mean, what does it do?
> > where
> > > does it storage the "backup"?
> > > What is the difference from this Backup to a Snapshot? Is it simply
> > storing
> > > a snapshot outside the cloud structure?
> > > How would these “backup policies” look like? I mean, what can I
> > configure?
> > > Regarding that parameter “external” of your backup policy, how would it
> > > work if we set it to false?
> > > What are you defining as a backup (what do you mean by backup in the
> > > context of this feature?)? I mean, is it simply a snapshot file that
> you
> > > store somewhere else?
> > >
> > >
> > > Nicolas.Vazquez@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > www.shapeblue.com<http://www.shapeblue.com>
> > > ,
> > > @shapeblue
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Nicolas.Vazquez@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > www.shapeblue.com
> > ,
> > @shapeblue
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 6:05 AM, <daniel.herrmann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > +1 for this feature request, thank you for bringing this to life!
> > Volume
> > > > snapshots are what our users currently use as backup solution, which
> > has
> > > > some inherent problems such as handling large volumes and the
> handling
> > of
> > > > multiple volumes (consistency).
> > > >
> > > > One thought: when restoring a VM, I think there are two cases to
> > > consider:
> > > >
> > > > - The VM is still in CS and the user just wants to restore an old
> > version
> > > > of the VM
> > > > - The VM has already been deleted and the user wants to restore the
> > > > deleted VM
> > > >
> > > > As listBackups is described as " listBackups API method. List
> existing
> > > > backups for a VM". Is the second use case supported at all?
> > > >
> > > > I like the approach not to define the backup policies in CS but in
> > > > whatever tool is used in the end, as otherwise a lot of features
> might
> > be
> > > > lost. We as services providers need to create them in the first
> place,
> > > but
> > > > I think this is the better solution.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > Daniel
> > > >
> > > > On 06.06.18, 14:43, "Nicolas Vazquez" <
> Nicolas.Vazquez@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >     Hi all,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >     We would like to introduce a new framework into CloudStack that
> > will
> > > > allow adding Backup and Recovery providers as plugins. This framework
> > > goal
> > > > is allowing users to backup their guest VMs for recovery purposes.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >     Please find the FS on this link: https://cwiki.apache.org/
> > > > confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Backup+and+Recovery+Framework
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >     Regards,
> > > >
> > > >     Nicolas Vazquez
> > > >
> > > >     Nicolas.Vazquez@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >     www.shapeblue.com<http://www.shapeblue.com>
> > > >     ,
> > > >     @shapeblue
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Rafael Weingärtner
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Rafael Weingärtner
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Rafael Weingärtner
>



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