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Re: Committee to Sort through CCC Presentation Submissions

Is this a real concern?
Why would a large number of Apache contributors who are not interested in Cloudstack (enough to outvote those "part of the Cloudstack community") get involved as reviewers

Reviewing involves some commitment of time so I am hard pressed to guess why some Apache contributor would volunteer to do the work in order to veto a presentation that they have not yet seen or have no interest in seeing.

Are we guaranteed a fixed number of hours of presentations or is the review process part of the allocation of overall time?

On what basis can some group veto a presentation?
That would seem to be a very strong action and I would hope that it requires a strong reason.

OTOH if a large??? number of Apache contributors (regardless of their affiliation) say that a presentation has serious issues or very limited interest, that would seem to be a red flag that the presentation requires improvement or needs to be dropped in favour of another Cloudstack presentation, if it can not be fixed.

We should also be aware that this is an opportunity to "market" Cloudstack to the broader Apache community. Outside reviewers might have valuable input into how presentations can attract new adopters or be clearer to the broader DevOps community. We also need to remember that we do have an active community and other opportunities during the year to present presentations that do not get selected for this conference.

If their is a real fear that a lot of "outsiders" are going to disrupt the review process, a more reasonable response would seem to be to get more reviewers from the community.

I have volunteered already.


On 30/03/2018 11:11 PM, Tutkowski, Mike wrote:
Hi Rafael,

It’s a little bit tricky in our particular situation. Allow me to explain:

As you are likely aware, the CloudStack Collaboration Conference will be held as a track in the larger ApacheCon conference in Montreal this coming September.

It is true, as you say, that anyone who wishes to do so can contribute to reviewing the CFP for ApacheCon.

What is a bit of a concern, however, is that we might get certain CloudStack CFP proposals vetoed by people who are not, per se, a part of our community.

That being the case, I have contacted the organizers for ApacheCon to see if there is some way we can section off the CloudStack CFP from the larger ApacheCon CFP for review purposes.

Assuming we can do this, the panel that I am proposing here would handle this review task.

I hope that helps clarify the situation.


On 3/30/18, 8:38 AM, "Rafael Weingärtner" <rafaelweingartner@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

     Are we going to have a separated review process?
I thought anybody could go here [1] and apply for a reviewer position and
     start reviewing. Well, that is what I did. I have already reviewed some
     CloudStack proposals (of course I did not review mines). After asking to
     review presentations, Rich has giving me access to the system. I thought
     everybody interest in helping was going to do the same.
[1] https://cfp.apachecon.com/conference.html?apachecon-north-america-2018 On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 4:05 AM, Swen - swen.io <me@xxxxxxx> wrote: > Hi Mike,
     > congrats!
     > I can help sort through presentations.
     > Best regards,
     > Swen
     > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
     > Von: Tutkowski, Mike [mailto:Mike.Tutkowski@xxxxxxxxxx]
     > Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. März 2018 21:40
     > An: dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
     > Betreff: Committee to Sort through CCC Presentation Submissions
     > Hi everyone,
     > As you may be aware, this coming September in Montreal, the CloudStack
     > Community will be hosting the CloudStack Collaboration Conference:
     > http://ca.cloudstackcollab.org/
     > Even though the event is six months away, we are on a tight schedule with
     > regards to the Call For Participation (CFP):
     > https://www.apachecon.com/acna18/schedule.html
     > If you are interested in submitting a talk, please do so before March 30th.
     > That being said, as usual, we will have need of a small committee to sort
     > through these presentation submissions.
     > If you are interested in helping out in this process, please reply to this
     > message.
     > Thanks!
     > Mike
     Rafael Weingärtner

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