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Re: Retiring Airflow Gitter?


Data point of one here, but I prefer Slack to Gitter because I have Slack open all day anyway. The only time I think to open Gitter is when I have a question about Airflow
On Sep 1, 2018, 2:13 PM -0700, Shah Altaf <mendhak@xxxxxxxxx>, wrote:
> Worth considering what the benefits vs problems are for Gitter vs Slack;
> i.e. what is Slack solving that Gitter fails at, and what will you lose for
> this exchange.
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> IMO there is a non-quantifiable benefit of the openness of Gitter rooms, in
> that Gitter conversation snippets appear in search results, with an '?at='
> querystring so you can jump straight to where the conversation occurred.
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> So while Gitter's search is lacking, there is that, *added* benefit of the
> free, persistent chat.
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> And as mentioned earlier, Gitter works with your existing accounts.
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> On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 9:26 PM Sid Anand <sanand@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > When we first entered the incubator ~2.5 years ago and we were considering
> > Gitter (Slack was not an option back then), Jakob Homan (our mentor)
> > mentioned that the the ASF mailing lists were really the place where things
> > needed to be documented. We killed our google group and GH issues and moved
> > into the mailing lists and Jira. We tried Gitter to give people a chance to
> > get instant answers, though as I mentioned at the top of this thread, it
> > had a lot of issues.
> >
> > I'm glad to hear that the community is gaining some benefit from a
> > collaborative instant messaging solution, though it does appear from this
> > thread that the community wants to move to Slack. As a 4-year user of
> > Slack, I agree Slack is a pretty awesome platform, but I've mostly used
> > paid versions at my employers. Once I get some guidance on how to set it up
> > within Apache guidelines, if the ASF has any thoughts on the matter, I'll
> > proceed to transition. Having 2 parallel solutions will be confusing IMHO.
> > -s
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 2:30 AM Ash Berlin-Taylor <ash@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm not a fan of slack for open source work - it's a walled garden,
> > > signing up is a hurdle (where you have to use a work around of a heroku
> > > app), not to mention that the client is just so memory hungry!
> > >
> > > I'm just a curmudgeon who still likes IRC mainly. So long as I can
> > install
> > > https://slack.com/apps/A7DL60U5D-irccloud/ <
> > > https://blog.irccloud.com/slack-integration/> I won't object ;)
> > >
> > > (I am not a fan of Gitter either, but I am constantly logged in via their
> > > IRC gateway. I'm usually the only PPMC responding in there, Bolke pops up
> > > from time-to-time too)
> > >
> > > -ash
> > >
> > > > On 1 Sep 2018, at 02:40, Sid Anand <sanand@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Great feedback. There is an overwhelming interest in moving Gitter to
> > > > Slack. Just curious: for the folks who set up Slack for other Apache
> > > > projects, did you go via an Apache Infra ticket?
> > > >
> > > > -s
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 4:32 PM James Meickle
> > > > <jmeickle@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.invalid> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I am in the gitter chat most work days and there's always activity.
> > > > >
> > > > > I would be fine with switching to permanent retention slack for
> > > > > searchability but don't see the point of switching without that
> > feature.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 12:59 Sid Anand <sanand@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > For a while now, we have had an Airflow Gitter account. Though this
> > > > > seemed
> > > > > > like a good idea initially, I'd like to hear from the community if
> > > anyone
> > > > > > gets value of out it. I don't believe any of the committers spend any
> > > > > time
> > > > > > on Gitter.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Early on, the initial committers tried to be available on it, but
> > soon
> > > > > > found it impossible to be available on all the timezones in which we
> > > had
> > > > > > users. Furthermore, Gitter notoriously sucks at making previously
> > > > > answered
> > > > > > questions discoverable. Also, the single-threaded nature of Gitter
> > > > > > essentially makes it confusing to debug/discuss more than on topic
> > at a
> > > > > > time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The community seems to be humming along by relying on the Apache
> > > mailing
> > > > > > lists, which don't suffer the downside listed above. Hence, as
> > newbies
> > > > > join
> > > > > > Apache Airflow, they likely hop onto Gitter. Are they getting value
> > > from
> > > > > > it? If not, perhaps we are doing them a disservice and should
> > consider
> > > > > just
> > > > > > deleting it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thoughts welcome.
> > > > > > -s
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