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Re: Retiring Airflow Gitter?

When we first entered the incubator ~2.5 years ago and we were considering
Gitter (Slack was not an option back then), Jakob Homan (our mentor)
mentioned that the the ASF mailing lists were really the place where things
needed to be documented. We killed our google group and GH issues and moved
into the mailing lists and Jira. We tried Gitter to give people a chance to
get instant answers, though as I mentioned at the top of this thread, it
had a lot of issues.

I'm glad to hear that the community is gaining some benefit from a
collaborative instant messaging solution, though it does appear from this
thread that the community wants to move to Slack. As a 4-year user of
Slack, I agree Slack is a pretty awesome platform, but I've mostly used
paid versions at my employers. Once I get some guidance on how to set it up
within Apache guidelines, if the ASF has any thoughts on the matter, I'll
proceed to transition. Having 2 parallel solutions will be confusing IMHO.

On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 2:30 AM Ash Berlin-Taylor <ash@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> I'm not a fan of slack for open source work - it's a walled garden,
> signing up is a hurdle (where you have to use a work around of a heroku
> app), not to mention that the client is just so memory hungry!
> I'm just a curmudgeon who still likes IRC mainly. So long as I can install
> https://slack.com/apps/A7DL60U5D-irccloud/ <
> https://blog.irccloud.com/slack-integration/> I won't object ;)
> (I am not a fan of Gitter either, but I am constantly logged in via their
> IRC gateway. I'm usually the only PPMC responding in there, Bolke pops up
> from time-to-time too)
> -ash
> > On 1 Sep 2018, at 02:40, Sid Anand <sanand@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > Great feedback. There is an overwhelming interest in moving Gitter to
> > Slack. Just curious: for the folks who set up Slack for other Apache
> > projects, did you go via an Apache Infra ticket?
> >
> > -s
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 4:32 PM James Meickle
> > <jmeickle@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> I am in the gitter chat most work days and there's always activity.
> >>
> >> I would be fine with switching to permanent retention slack for
> >> searchability but don't see the point of switching without that feature.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 12:59 Sid Anand <sanand@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >>> For a while now, we have had an Airflow Gitter account. Though this
> >> seemed
> >>> like a good idea initially, I'd like to hear from the community if
> anyone
> >>> gets value of out it. I don't believe any of the committers spend any
> >> time
> >>> on Gitter.
> >>>
> >>> Early on, the initial committers tried to be available on it, but soon
> >>> found it impossible to be available on all the timezones in which we
> had
> >>> users. Furthermore, Gitter notoriously sucks at making previously
> >> answered
> >>> questions discoverable. Also, the single-threaded nature of Gitter
> >>> essentially makes it confusing to debug/discuss more than on topic at a
> >>> time.
> >>>
> >>> The community seems to be humming along by relying on the Apache
> mailing
> >>> lists, which don't suffer the downside listed above. Hence, as newbies
> >> join
> >>> Apache Airflow, they likely hop onto Gitter. Are they getting value
> from
> >>> it? If not, perhaps we are doing them a disservice and should consider
> >> just
> >>> deleting it.
> >>>
> >>> Thoughts welcome.
> >>> -s
> >>>
> >>